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    Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Here are three recent stories by John Erardi. Two are short feel good pieces, the third is a bit longer and thought provoking.

    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...PT04/301190224


    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...PT04/301170121


    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...OL19/301110131


    Just thought the members of RZ might enjoy reading this and that maybe the third article would spark some interesting discussion.
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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Interesting, I'm not a fan of trying to pick and choose among the known and suspected cheaters, but Erardi's attempt is as good as any I've seen.

    Personally, I'd still base my vote on what happened on the field and the narrative history of the game handle the rest.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Any HOF without Bonds (elected on the first ballot), should probably just be shut down and mothballed because it is irrelevant.

    Any argument that says Bonds isn't a HOFer but AROD is, well, it's just the kind of logic that would lead to the the HOF being irrelevant.

    In short, baseball writers can't be trusted with the HOF. We need a new system for inducting players.
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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    I must admit, that third article was a shock. A writer actually managed to sum up exactly how I feel on this topic. He even went so far as to name the exact same people I feel are out, border-line in and in. Well thought out and informative. Nice piece.

    I will also add that while there are players I'd prefer be left out, that system will never fly. RMR has it right, base admission solely on their on-the-field performance and take out the character clause because it only muddies the waters. I will add this last note though, if they DO admit the steroid users into the hall....Rose damned well better get in too.
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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I will add this last note though, if they DO admit the steroid users into the hall....Rose damned well better get in too.
    Disagree. Strongly.

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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Rose had s Hall of Fame career. Nothing he did affected anything he accomplished as a player.
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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    You can't keep known steroid users out while allowing ARod in. This is not that hard a concept.
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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Rose had s Hall of Fame career. Nothing he did affected anything he accomplished as a player.
    Except that part where he gambled on the game....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Any HOF without Bonds (elected on the first ballot), should probably just be shut down and mothballed because it is irrelevant.

    Any argument that says Bonds isn't a HOFer but AROD is, well, it's just the kind of logic that would lead to the the HOF being irrelevant.

    In short, baseball writers can't be trusted with the HOF. We need a new system for inducting players.
    The HOF doesn't need Bonds, just like it didn't need Rose. So, Bonds and his tainted records and inflated head are left out. Big deal. Sooner or later it will be a historical anecdote.
    Years ago the argument was "you can't leave the hit record holder out". Well they did and nothing happened.
    Now it will be "you can't leave the HR king out". Well they can.

    And guys like Larkin will be inducted and proud to be in the HOF. Even if Bonds and Rose aren't there (maybe even MORE so).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    The HOF doesn't need Bonds, just like it didn't need Rose. So, Bonds and his tainted records and inflated head are left out. Big deal. Sooner or later it will be a historical anecdote.
    Years ago the argument was "you can't leave the hit record holder out". Well they did and nothing happened.
    Now it will be "you can't leave the HR king out". Well they can.

    And guys like Larkin will be inducted and proud to be in the HOF. Even if Bonds and Rose aren't there (maybe even MORE so).
    What Rose did also didn't help him get his record. What Bonds did absolutely helped him get his.

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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    You can't keep known steroid users out while allowing ARod in. This is not that hard a concept.

    Agreed. If you keep one steroid user out it seems to me that you'd keep all steroid users out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    The HOF doesn't need Bonds, just like it didn't need Rose. So, Bonds and his tainted records and inflated head are left out. Big deal. Sooner or later it will be a historical anecdote.
    Years ago the argument was "you can't leave the hit record holder out". Well they did and nothing happened.
    Now it will be "you can't leave the HR king out". Well they can.

    And guys like Larkin will be inducted and proud to be in the HOF. Even if Bonds and Rose aren't there (maybe even MORE so).
    I could care less about a history museum that largely is shaped by a fanatical desire to uphold the sanctity of a myth.

    That Rose isn't in the HOF is dumb. That a whole era will be characterized by arbitrary guesswork makes the Hall invalid as a vehicle to tell the history of the game.
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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Any HOF without Bonds (elected on the first ballot), should probably just be shut down and mothballed because it is irrelevant.

    Any argument that says Bonds isn't a HOFer but AROD is, well, it's just the kind of logic that would lead to the the HOF being irrelevant.

    In short, baseball writers can't be trusted with the HOF. We need a new system for inducting players.
    I agree jojo but right now I don't know where we would start in incorporating a new system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Except that part where he gambled on the game....
    That did nothing to affect his on field performance. He didn't cheat to put up the numbers. Hall of Fame player.
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    Re: Three Recent Articles By John Erardi

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I could care less about a history museum that largely is shaped by a fanatical desire to uphold the sanctity of a myth.

    That Rose isn't in the HOF is dumb. That a whole era will be characterized by arbitrary guesswork makes the Hall invalid as a vehicle to tell the history of the game.
    The HOF's job isn't to tell the history of the game.


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