Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 17 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 247

Thread: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    West Virginia
    Posts
    38,000

    Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    #Reds acquire from Phi Wilson Valdez for Jeremy Horst, Nick Masset signs 2-year deal, IF/OF Willie Harris signs minor deal with ST invite.

    https://twitter.com/#!/Reds


  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    19,441

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Interesting. Between him and Janish, we should have a solid bullpen. Err...

    In all seriousness, I'm not sure I get that move. He's no better than Janish at the plate or in the field. Just depth?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  4. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    12,216

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Great pickup IMO. I like Valdez a heckuva lot more than Janish, and Horst is easily replaceable.

  5. #4
    Member mdccclxix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Crown
    Posts
    4,139

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Cool, there's no way we lose in 19 innings this year!
    2015 Rotation: Under Construction

  6. #5
    Flash the leather! _Sir_Charles_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    11,563

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Strange move. Valdez is a somewhat useful piece, but he's certainly not an upgrade over Janish.

    2 year deal for Masset, that I like, depending upon the $'s.

  7. #6
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    West Virginia
    Posts
    38,000

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Not a huge fan of the Valdez move. He's not really an upgrade over Janish.

  8. #7
    All work and no play..... Vottomatic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Lebanon
    Posts
    7,067

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    It kind of depends on how much they have to pay Valdez, for me.

    It also tells me they're not sold on Janish or maybe Janish is going to be traded. Did they agree on a contract, because I thought Janish was arbitration eligible?

  9. #8
    Member reds44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    29,517

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

    And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter View Post
    A little bit off topic, but do you guys think that Jesse Winker profiles more like Pete Rose or is he just the next Hal Morris??

  10. #9
    Flash the leather! _Sir_Charles_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    11,563

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Yeah, Janish is around 800 k or so. I don't recall the exact figure. Fay posted it though.

  11. #10
    Flash the leather! _Sir_Charles_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    11,563

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

    And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.
    And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.

  12. #11
    Member reds44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    29,517

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Nevermind
    Last edited by reds44; 01-25-2012 at 04:21 PM. Reason: I am dumb.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter View Post
    A little bit off topic, but do you guys think that Jesse Winker profiles more like Pete Rose or is he just the next Hal Morris??

  13. #12
    All work and no play..... Vottomatic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Lebanon
    Posts
    7,067

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407832

    Valdez turns 34 in May.

    He and Janish bolster our bullpen in long games when we run out of pitchers. LOL.

  14. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    12,216

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    He's not really an upgrade over Janish.
    I disagree. There's not a wide disparity between the two players, but I think Valdez is a better hitter and runner. He's good defender. And while I know this may not register with all observers, he plays with more energy. The guy knows his role -- I think Janish sees himself as a failed starter -- and as a Dominican he'll be a nice caddy for Francisco after this year (assuming Rolen retires). Valdez played for a winning club and did a nice job filling in for Rollins last year.

  15. #14
    Member reds44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    29,517

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.
    Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

    If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter View Post
    A little bit off topic, but do you guys think that Jesse Winker profiles more like Pete Rose or is he just the next Hal Morris??

  16. #15
    Flash the leather! _Sir_Charles_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    11,563

    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    I'm not even close to a follower of WAR. But considering just how poorly Janish played last year (by FAR his worst season ever), he had a WAR or 0.0 in around 350 pa's. Wilson Valdez, 300 pa's last year.... -0.2.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | Gallen5862 | Plus Plus | Powel Crosley | RedlegJake | The Operator