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    Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    #Reds acquire from Phi Wilson Valdez for Jeremy Horst, Nick Masset signs 2-year deal, IF/OF Willie Harris signs minor deal with ST invite.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Interesting. Between him and Janish, we should have a solid bullpen. Err...

    In all seriousness, I'm not sure I get that move. He's no better than Janish at the plate or in the field. Just depth?
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Great pickup IMO. I like Valdez a heckuva lot more than Janish, and Horst is easily replaceable.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Cool, there's no way we lose in 19 innings this year!
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Strange move. Valdez is a somewhat useful piece, but he's certainly not an upgrade over Janish.

    2 year deal for Masset, that I like, depending upon the $'s.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Not a huge fan of the Valdez move. He's not really an upgrade over Janish.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    It kind of depends on how much they have to pay Valdez, for me.

    It also tells me they're not sold on Janish or maybe Janish is going to be traded. Did they agree on a contract, because I thought Janish was arbitration eligible?

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

    And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

    And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.
    And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.
    Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

    If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

    If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.
    Okay, and 2 years ago Janish posted a .723 ops. And no, I'm not saying he'd do that again. But I am saying he's a much better defender than Valdez.

    Personally, I would've preferred to keep the starter/long reliever depth of Horst in Louisville.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

    If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.
    Paul Janish 2010 .260 .338 .385 .723 in about 200 AB's At age 27

    Wilson Valdez 2007 .201 .245 .266 .511 in about 140 AB's at age 27

    Yes, that is a .245 OBP.

    really? we added the 33 year old version of a LESSER player than we had in hand?
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    Paul Janish 2010 .260 .338 .385 .723 in about 200 AB's At age 27

    Wilson Valdez 2007 .201 .245 .266 .511 in about 140 AB's at age 27

    Yes, that is a .245 OBP.

    really? we added the 33 year old version of a LESSER player than we had in hand?
    I guess if they were both still 27 you'd have a point.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    Paul Janish 2010 .260 .338 .385 .723 in about 200 AB's At age 27

    Wilson Valdez 2007 .201 .245 .266 .511 in about 140 AB's at age 27

    Yes, that is a .245 OBP.

    really? we added the 33 year old version of a LESSER player than we had in hand?
    And then they turned 28.

    You literally just randomly picked out Valdez's worst year and Janish's best year.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.
    Sadly, it's still an upgrade from Janish (with his 521 OPS and mediocre defense).
    Janish is that bad.

    There's also a thought that Janish may never recover phsycologically from the beating he took in the big leagues.

    This move allows them to stash Janish at AAA for depth. Valdez makes the team as the backup SS.
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