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    Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    #Reds acquire from Phi Wilson Valdez for Jeremy Horst, Nick Masset signs 2-year deal, IF/OF Willie Harris signs minor deal with ST invite.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Interesting. Between him and Janish, we should have a solid bullpen. Err...

    In all seriousness, I'm not sure I get that move. He's no better than Janish at the plate or in the field. Just depth?
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Great pickup IMO. I like Valdez a heckuva lot more than Janish, and Horst is easily replaceable.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Cool, there's no way we lose in 19 innings this year!
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Strange move. Valdez is a somewhat useful piece, but he's certainly not an upgrade over Janish.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Not a huge fan of the Valdez move. He's not really an upgrade over Janish.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    It kind of depends on how much they have to pay Valdez, for me.

    It also tells me they're not sold on Janish or maybe Janish is going to be traded. Did they agree on a contract, because I thought Janish was arbitration eligible?
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

    And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Yeah, Janish is around 800 k or so. I don't recall the exact figure. Fay posted it though.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    What are you going to trade Janish for? A six pack?

    And they're probably not sold on Janish because he's really, really bad at baseball.
    And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Nevermind
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407832

    Valdez turns 34 in May.

    He and Janish bolster our bullpen in long games when we run out of pitchers. LOL.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    He's not really an upgrade over Janish.
    I disagree. There's not a wide disparity between the two players, but I think Valdez is a better hitter and runner. He's good defender. And while I know this may not register with all observers, he plays with more energy. The guy knows his role -- I think Janish sees himself as a failed starter -- and as a Dominican he'll be a nice caddy for Francisco after this year (assuming Rolen retires). Valdez played for a winning club and did a nice job filling in for Rollins last year.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

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    And Wilson Valdez is what exactly? Bothered looking up HIS stats? They're far from awe-inspiring.
    Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

    If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    I'm not even close to a follower of WAR. But considering just how poorly Janish played last year (by FAR his worst season ever), he had a WAR or 0.0 in around 350 pa's. Wilson Valdez, 300 pa's last year.... -0.2.
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