Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
This trade doesn't bother me one way or the other.
What gets me is people keep saying Valdez is CLEARLY a better hitter than Janish is. Rick and others have posted the stats, the stats say that they are pretty much the same hitter.
13 pages dedicated to a Jeremy Horst for Wilson Valdez trade. Only on Redszone. Love it .
No kidding. There are lots of threads that others post in that I can't imagine why anyone cares, but I don't make it my mission to mock people for talking about it.
If a topic doesn't interest some one, they should merely move on and let the others discuss the topic that they wish to discuss.
This team is almost set. Janish vs. Valdez vs. Frazier vs. Valaika vs. Harris is probably one of the bigger decisions that the team will be making in Spring Training. Seems fairly topical IMO.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
So Valdez makes how many shortstops that BPhil has played with now?
I sure wouldn't, unless of course it was 1984, historically bad season at the plate for Janish, the fact he got that many PA's says more about the Reds other choices than it does about his skill set.
Code:SEASON 1980-2011 SS AT BATS BETWEEN 250 AND 350 OBA YEAR OBA AB 1 Andujar Cedeno 1996 .247 335 T2 Onix Concepcion 1985 .255 314 T2 Kiko Garcia 1980 .255 311 4 Ronny Cedeno 2009 .256 341 5 Spike Owen 1983 .257 306 6 Paul Janish 2011 .259 336 7 Alfredo Griffin 1988 .259 316 8 Jose Oquendo 1983 .260 328 9 Tripp Cromer 1995 .261 345 10 Benji Gil 1997 .263 317 RUNS CREATED/GAME YEAR RC/G AB 1 Jose Oquendo 1983 1.73 328 2 Kiko Garcia 1980 1.81 311 3 Onix Concepcion 1985 1.87 314 4 Andujar Cedeno 1996 2.17 335 5 Alfredo Griffin 1988 2.18 316 6 Paul Janish 2011 2.21 336 7 Spike Owen 1983 2.37 306 8 Pat Meares 1993 2.39 346 9 Walt Weiss 1992 2.44 316 10 Tripp Cromer 1995 2.45 345 SLG YEAR SLG AB 1 Kiko Garcia 1980 .235 311 2 Walt Weiss 1992 .241 316 3 Wayne Tolleson 1987 .241 349 4 Jose Oquendo 1983 .244 328 5 Onix Concepcion 1985 .245 314 6 Alfredo Griffin 1988 .253 316 7 Paul Janish 2011 .262 336 8 Rafael Belliard 1986 .262 309 9 Casey Candaele 1992 .266 320 10 Spike Owen 1983 .271 306
I don't have the software to pull numbers the way you do. BTW, what do you use?
Here is a link to espn's 2010 stats. Yes, we all know what Janish did last year. I think some are forgetting what he did the year before. sorted by AB's, minimum 200 PA's
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting...Bats/minpa/200
look that list over.
he was 9th in OPS at SS. Yes, he had exactly 200 AB's, but as a backup SS, how many SHOULD he get. You may want a larger house, but it doesn't exist.
In 2010, offensively, Paul Janish was one of the best backup SS's in baseball. I can't believe I just typed that, but it's true. He was also one of the best defensive SS's in baseball period.
And in 2011, his offense was putrid. Go figure.
Last edited by TRF; 01-31-2012 at 09:42 AM.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Janish has played 33 games (19 starts) at 2B/3B in his career. Certainly too small a sample size for you to say one way or the other how good he can be in a utility role at those positions. Continue to mock me if you will. We traded nothing for a better utility player and you have an attachment to probably the worst MLB baseball player that had 350 PA's last season. One fluke season does not a player make.
TRF: don't bore me with your "prove it" statement. I have been to baseball-reference.com and looked at the stats and I have actually objectively watched both players play baseball. Valdez is better; he's not great, he's not good, but he knows his role and he can certainly fill that role for this team better than Janish can.
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