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Thread: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    I can't believe Paul Janish still has supporters.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Valdez has at least posted three consecutive seasons of above .630 OPS (and before last year he posted back to back .660 OPS).

    If Paul Janish ever OPSes north of .600 I'll be surprised. He's THAT bad.
    Okay, and 2 years ago Janish posted a .723 ops. And no, I'm not saying he'd do that again. But I am saying he's a much better defender than Valdez.

    Personally, I would've preferred to keep the starter/long reliever depth of Horst in Louisville.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    I like this move. Even slight upgrades help the club.

    The thought of Paul Janish getting meaningful at-bats this summer was disconcerting, to say the least.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    He's better than Ryan Theriot.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Leatherpants via twitter....
    Reds have concerns on Cozart's return from Tommy John surgery so Wilson Valdez gives them competition with Paul Janish if Cozart not ready
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Valdez isn't a great player or anything, and I didn't have him on the radar. But under the circumstances, he's the kind of "capable defensively, not the biggest out machine on the planet, knows his role" hedge that we're probably going to be glad we have at some point this season. I'm certainly okay with him having the bench role over Janish, with the latter playing every day in Louisville and being as ready as possible should he be needed.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Seems like a decent guy to have around, although I'm beginning to wonder how the Reds plan on fitting in these various bench guys.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    I will ALWAYS remember Valdez for one of the worst at bats I ever saw. In 2009, Valdez was playing with the Columbus Clippers against the Louisville Bats, he was up with the tying run at third, the winning run at first, but only one out left in the game. He STRUCK OUT BUNTING to lose the game! I believe the explanation was that he saw the third baseman was way back, got excited, and forgot the situation, but Jim Kelch said it best "And Wilson Valdez has taken leave of his baseball senses!". Still, he should be a decent addition, and I wish Horst the best in Philly, as much as I hate that team, he was quite impressive with the Bats, and undervalued by the Reds.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    The Reds have depth (and let's be honest, quality) issues at SS.

    This at least helps with the depth part of the equation.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Apparently the Phillies were, for one reason or another, looking to trade Valdez.

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Masset's deal is worth a guaranteed $5.5MM with some performance incentives.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    I'd say this move effectively pushes both Janish and Frazier to Louisville.

    Cairo, Valdez, Francisco, Ludwick & Hanigan is your bench I'd think.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    I had thought that Valdez wasn't very good, so i looked up his numbers. I was overrating him. Can this guy even out hit Janish?

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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I'd say this move effectively pushes both Janish and Frazier to Louisville.

    Cairo, Valdez, Francisco, Ludwick & Hanigan is your bench I'd think.
    For opening day, assuming no injuries or other trades. Frazier, Janish and a few others will probably see plenty of time in Cincy over the course of 2012.

    I'm also guessing Dusty wanted a veteran backup SS. He's never been comfortable with a young bench.
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    Re: Reds trade LHP Jeremy Horst to Phillies for infielder Wilson Valdez

    Quote Originally Posted by tixe View Post
    I had thought that Valdez wasn't very good, so i looked up his numbers. I was overrating him. Can this guy even out hit Janish?
    Probably, but not by much. I honestly think that in a limited role, Janish would hit better. Not the .727 ops from 2 years ago, but not the abysmal one he put up last season. The difference for me is defensively. Valdez isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but he's not as good as Paul with the glove. The fact that he can also play the outfield certainly gives him a big edge over Paul.

    Now if there really are some concerns about Cozart's health, then this makes a ton of sense. If not, he's a slightly better bench option than Janish. But enough to lose Horst? I don't think so. Jeremy's been better than many realize IMO.
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