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    More Votto to the Jays chatter

    The Chicago Tribunes Phil Rogers says its 'inevitable'

    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...e-acquisition/

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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Reds offseason moves didn't indicate a team looking to plan for the distant future...
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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Well, that settles it then. Phil Rogers has spoken.

    LMAO

    Votto might very well end up in Toronto in a couple years. But this guy doesn't know anything more than anyone on this board about Votto's situation.

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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Before this off season I would have done Votto/Bailey/Cozart for Romero/Cooper/Thames/Escobar,. Now I'm happy to ride out the next two years.
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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    * If the Reds make he playoffs, I can see them hanging onto Joey and trying for two in a row and letting him leave in FA if he doesn't sign an extension.

    * If the Reds fall short of the playoffs though. I can see them making Joey their best LTC offer and if he refuses then considering a deal with the Jays.

    * I realize that Joey has never categorically stated he will not re-up with the Reds and that Jocketty and Castellini have both said the Reds plan to resign Votto.

    * I also know though, that Joey has said he will see what the market will offer and that he owes it to himself and his family to do so. A $20-25M extension for JV would severly hamstring the Reds payroll while the Jays have much deeper pockets and signing a hometown boy like Votto would give them a huge boost in the murderous AL East.

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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    If I we were going to make a deal for Joey with the Jays, they'd need to ante up:

    * Two starters from:

    - Deck McGuire
    - Drew Hutchinson
    - Aaron Sanchez
    - Justin Nicolino


    * An infielder from:

    - Yunel Escobar
    - Brett Lawrie

    * An OF from:

    - Anthony Goss (if he continues to improve)
    - Brice Brentz (Jays send a catcher and Reds send another prospect to the BoSox)

    * One from:

    - Daniel Norris
    - Noah Syndergaard
    - Asher Wojciechowsk
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    I wonder if the Jays signed Coco in an attempt to lure Votto there

    I'm content to enjoy Votto for 2 more years and let the chips fall where they may.
    In fact, I will predict the Reds do not trade Votto.
    Good organizations can absorb free agent defections.
    Bad organizations are too worried about replenishing the prospect pipeline.
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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat View Post
    If I we were going to make a deal for Joey with the Jays, they'd need to ante up:
    But..... if Votto's desire is to play for Toronto, and the feeling is mutual, then all the BJs have to do is wait for free agency and sacrifice draft picks. I guess it would depend on how badly, as far as urgency goes, the BJs would want Votto. IMO, the Reds are not in the driver's seat in this situation. Most teams aren't. The only thing that would help the Reds is if several teams are interested, and a bidding war ensues. But again - if Joey's desire really is to play in Canada, then that may have little effect unless it could force the hand of the BJs who don't want to take the chance of him signing elsewhere.

    But this is all speculation on my part.
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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Out of The Jays Organization I like these guys for Votto if we ever make a trade:

    1)Brett Lawrie- takes over for Rolen at 3rd.
    2)Drew Hutchinson-SP in AA
    3)Deck McGuire-SP in AA
    4)Anthony Gose-OF in AA

    we get some guys back into the system in positions of need and get a MLB ready 3rd baseman where we have virtually no depth. As we then move Soto to 1st base.

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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Jays will wait until Joey is a free agent. That way they won't have to give up anything. Count on it.

    It sucks, but that's what I expect. And I fully expect Joey to bolt for his hometown Toronto.

    Makes me wonder if the Reds should give Joey an ultimatum of signing an extension by a certain date, and if he doesn't accept, let the Reds fans know and get what they can for him.

    I love the guy, but the thought of him leaving and the Reds getting nothing in return bothers me.
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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    It would be smart for the Reds to take the best run they can at Votto before next offseason gets going. If it fails, see what the trade market is. Toronto would be a real good trade partner, IMO.
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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    I wonder if the Jays signed Coco in an attempt to lure Votto there

    I'm content to enjoy Votto for 2 more years and let the chips fall where they may.
    In fact, I will predict the Reds do not trade Votto.
    Good organizations can absorb free agent defections.
    Bad organizations are too worried about replenishing the prospect pipeline.
    Let's keep trying to win.
    Actually, the reason good organizations can absorb free agent defections is because they already have a well stocked prospect pipeline. If they lose a guy to free agency, they better have youngsters ready to step in or they won't be a good organization very long.
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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Jays will wait until Joey is a free agent. That way they won't have to give up anything. Count on it.

    It sucks, but that's what I expect. And I fully expect Joey to bolt for his hometown Toronto.

    Makes me wonder if the Reds should give Joey an ultimatum of signing an extension by a certain date, and if he doesn't accept, let the Reds fans know and get what they can for him.

    I love the guy, but the thought of him leaving and the Reds getting nothing in return bothers me.
    No ultimatiums needed, just a solid conversation between 2 grown ups.

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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Jays will wait until Joey is a free agent. That way they won't have to give up anything. Count on it.

    It sucks, but that's what I expect. And I fully expect Joey to bolt for his hometown Toronto.

    Makes me wonder if the Reds should give Joey an ultimatum of signing an extension by a certain date, and if he doesn't accept, let the Reds fans know and get what they can for him.

    I love the guy, but the thought of him leaving and the Reds getting nothing in return bothers me.
    Agreed on the first part. If Toronto can wait until 2014, it'll save them a lot of talent.

    Mostly agreed on the second part, but it would be difficult-nigh-impossible for a trade to make the Reds better during the next two years. Getting just draft picks for him wouldn't bother me as much as trading him before 2013 and then finishing one game out of the playoffs. The Reds have been a long time getting into position to grab at the ring, it's time to grab. Later can take care of itself.
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    Re: More Votto to the Jays chatter

    Let's just enjoy this two year ride. When the time comes and if Votto leaves the Reds should have an idea who will replace Votto.
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