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    Who can forget the heartfelt tribute to Whitney by Mr. Randy Watson? He played Joe the Policeman in the "What's Goin' Down" episode of "That's My Mama."

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    Re: Whitney Houston dead at 48

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    I don't put Aretha or Billie Holiday in Whitney' class......
    Agreed. Whitney's pure vocal ability was unmatched in the history of popular music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    Who can forget the heartfelt tribute to Whitney by Mr. Randy Watson? He played Joe the Policeman in the "What's Goin' Down" episode of "That's My Mama."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    Agreed. Whitney's pure vocal ability was unmatched in the history of popular music.
    Well if that's the criteria we're using, Freddie Mercury is a greater pop singer than Elvis, Sinatra or Crosby. And Minnie Riperton is the greatest female singer.

    Vocal ability is only one facet of being a great pop singer. See Louis Armstrong, Johnny Cash, Van Morrison, James Brown, or Otis Redding.

    Robert Plant has great vocal ability, is he a greater singer than Marvin Gaye? Of course not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    Whitney was lost long ago, friend. Saying that we lost her today is like saying we missed out on a bunch of things to come from Marlon Brando when he died.

    It was a great voice. Was, a long time ago. And that's true dead or alive.


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    This got me thinking. She really had just been a name and memories for the better part of a decade. When was the last time she did anything vocally that would make you stop and turn your head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    Well if that's the criteria we're using, Freddie Mercury is a greater pop singer than Elvis, Sinatra or Crosby. And Minnie Riperton is the greatest female singer.

    Vocal ability is only one facet of being a great pop singer. See Louis Armstrong, Johnny Cash, Van Morrison, James Brown, or Otis Redding.

    Robert Plant has great vocal ability, is he a greater singer than Marvin Gaye? Of course not.
    True enough, but vocal range is also only one facet of vocal ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    True enough, but vocal range is also only one facet of vocal ability.
    An important thing is what you sound like within your range, not just what that range is.

    Not using anyone else as an example, I have a range of a couple octaves, but the top note is middle C. I can occasionally hit a D, but it sounds strained and not really that natural. There's not a whole lot of music out there written near the bottom of my range, so even though I can hit those notes, what's the point? There's about an octave and a half where I'm pretty comfortable and that I can actually use frequently, but very little music out there requires a vocalist to use much more than that unless a singer just decides to go there because he/she can. I just focus on having good pitch within my given range and sounding as good as I can.

    Sure, Whitney was talented vocally and I enjoyed hearing her voice, but there are other artists I enjoy listening to more who might not have the range or vocal talent she had. There is a lot of subjectivity to music and for a lot of people what makes us connect to a song is often more than just the skill of the performer. So who is more talented, Whitney or Aretha? Take your pick. I happen to prefer Aretha over Whitney. I enjoy her music more, and isn't that the whole point of it anyway?
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    Re: Whitney Houston dead at 48

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    Well if that's the criteria we're using, Freddie Mercury is a greater pop singer than Elvis, Sinatra or Crosby. And Minnie Riperton is the greatest female singer.

    Vocal ability is only one facet of being a great pop singer. See Louis Armstrong, Johnny Cash, Van Morrison, James Brown, or Otis Redding.

    Robert Plant has great vocal ability, is he a greater singer than Marvin Gaye? Of course not.
    Robert Plant or Marvin Gaye?

    Robert Plant is one of the great voices of rock- I mean, Led Zeppelin is a religious experience. I get the point you are making, I don't think Plant belongs in any type of comparison like that.

    That's like making someone pick between Twix and Snickers.

    Zeppelin is right there with the greatest ever...Ugh, ugh, ugh, Robert Plant is not the lesser of any equation lol....
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    Sure, Whitney was talented vocally and I enjoyed hearing her voice, but there are other artists I enjoy listening to more who might not have the range or vocal talent she had. There is a lot of subjectivity to music and for a lot of people what makes us connect to a song is often more than just the skill of the performer. So who is more talented, Whitney or Aretha? Take your pick. I happen to prefer Aretha over Whitney. I enjoy her music more, and isn't that the whole point of it anyway?
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    I don't know how you separate the best of the best singers. They're all so great but my comparison to Whitney would be Judy Garland and it seems that they also fought similar demons including Rx drugs, alcohol and bad marriages. Those demons likely led to their early demise in their 40s. Lots of parallels to be drawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    Robert Plant or Marvin Gaye?

    Robert Plant is one of the great voices of rock- I mean, Led Zeppelin is a religious experience. I get the point you are making, I don't think Plant belongs in any type of comparison like that.

    That's like making someone pick between Twix and Snickers.

    Zeppelin is right there with the greatest ever...Ugh, ugh, ugh, Robert Plant is not the lesser of any equation lol....
    Plant is a great voice, just my point. But if you want to hear a great singer, renew you experience with "I heard it through the Grapevine".

    Its more like picking between a Reggie Bar and a Baby Ruth. ( Or "What's Going On" and "Whole Lotta Love".)

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    I think Whitney in her prime was really one of the greatest ever. But she is also the Sandy Koufax of singing with a brilliant but short prime. Personal demons saw to that.

    But she really had it all. The voice, the range, the phrasing, being able to emote, plus she was a great on stage and made it all look so effortless. That was the part that got me. She made it look so easy but listening to her was just jaw-dropping great. Plus she was gorgeous and so fresh.

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    Honestly, I was never a fan of Whitney's music. I recognize her great vocal talent, but I just don't like the style she promoted of loud diva notes and turning single syllable words into multi-note runs just to show of her range. While she could pull it off, so many that attempt to follow in her footsteps just end up making a 3 minute song last 6 or more from all the vocal gymnastics. I see the Whitney wannabes on American Idol every year and watch the judges fawn all over them, only to have them fade back into obscurity once the season's over.

    As a non-Whitney example of this, I would compare the song "Superstar" as sung by The Carpenters and then by Luther Vandross. The Carpenters' version is a very bittersweet, heartfelt rendition, a beautiful song really, without a lot of vocal gymnastics. Luther Vandross' version is just Luther singing loud and dropping in a bunch of vocal runs, causing the song to lose all the emotional impact of the original.

    For the record, I think it's the same with bands that feel that, when they play live, every song has to have a guitar solo, a drum solo, a keyboard solo, a horn solo, ad nauseum. I get it, you're talented musicians. No need to show it every song. In fact, I think sometimes singers and musicians do that kind of stuff to hide the fact that the song itself isn't all that great.
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    I really dislike that style of singing too, Yachtzee. It ruins a lot of otherwise great songs and masks a lot of really good voices when they try to sing that way. My wife and I always call it "wailing" instead of singing. But I don't remember Whitney ever singing that way much. She was always more of a pure singer I thought. I think Mariah might be more to blame than Whitney for that trend. That was her MO for sure.
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