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    Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    Quite frankly I think Gates will out play Sullinger. Sullinger is a much better offensive player, but I think Gates will cancel Sullinger out. This matchup is about the other guys. Both teams are capable of good defense, and both teams are capable of playing great/terrible offense. Anyone that claims that one team has an edge is fooling themselves. It will be a fun game to watch, but why did this have to be the late game?
    Oh I disagree. Sullinger struggles with bigger guys and shot blockers, neither of which are Gates. Gates is the type of player that who Sullinger can get into and get his shots off over. When he catches the ball low on the block he is very good at making those buckets.

    I think there will be some interesting matchups, how will Jackson and Parker defend Thomas? I think he is a matchup nightmare because of his ability to hit an outside shot and also rebound on the offensive end. I want to see what kind of pressure Craft dials up on Cash.

    Finally I think a lot will come down to how the game is called. Will the officials let the players bang or will they call it close? A close called game will benefit OSU more because Sullinger will get the foul calls against Gates. A brusing game like UC played last night will be in UC's favor if they can get Sullinger frustrated.

    Coming from an OSU fan, they are playing at a high level right now. Ever since the comeback against MSU at MSU they have been playing some very good basketball. Hopefully they continue their roll and not peak in the Sweet 16 like they have in the past 2 years.

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    Just an FYI. Sweet 16 television schedule.

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/sweet...a4bcf6878.html
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    Quick scouting report on UC--iffy outside shooting, very active and tough on the defensive end, a lot of scoring on runouts started by defensive plays. Gates is going to need help guarding Sullinger, he better not be a non-factor in this game like he was last night. Buford and Thomas look like they create huge matchup problems with the 4 guard lineup. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Just an FYI. Sweet 16 television schedule.

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/sweet...a4bcf6878.html
    And I assume these times are CST.
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    And I assume these times are CST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Quick scouting report on UC--iffy outside shooting, very active and tough on the defensive end, a lot of scoring on runouts started by defensive plays. Gates is going to need help guarding Sullinger, he better not be a non-factor in this game like he was last night. Buford and Thomas look like they create huge matchup problems with the 4 guard lineup. Thoughts?
    If the refs call this game like a Big East game, I'd give Cincinnati a decent shot at the upset. They're an incredibly physical and mentally tough defense. All four guards have quick hands and swat at every ball within arm's reach. It leads to lots of turnovers and disrupts offensive sets. On the block, Gates looks to physically dominate the low post defensively and works to keep his man away from the hoop to allow for a collapsing double team. The defense is capable of generating lots of stops and creating easy buckets in transition.

    If the refs call a tight game, it's going to be problematic for UC because they're very susceptible to cheap fouls coming off their aggressive defense.
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    Oh I disagree. Sullinger struggles with bigger guys and shot blockers, neither of which are Gates. Gates is the type of player that who Sullinger can get into and get his shots off over. When he catches the ball low on the block he is very good at making those buckets.

    I think there will be some interesting matchups, how will Jackson and Parker defend Thomas? I think he is a matchup nightmare because of his ability to hit an outside shot and also rebound on the offensive end. I want to see what kind of pressure Craft dials up on Cash.

    Finally I think a lot will come down to how the game is called. Will the officials let the players bang or will they call it close? A close called game will benefit OSU more because Sullinger will get the foul calls against Gates. A brusing game like UC played last night will be in UC's favor if they can get Sullinger frustrated.

    Coming from an OSU fan, they are playing at a high level right now. Ever since the comeback against MSU at MSU they have been playing some very good basketball. Hopefully they continue their roll and not peak in the Sweet 16 like they have in the past 2 years.
    This is a good take on the game.

    I agree that Gates and Sullinger are the same kind of player. It will be a race to see who gets who in foul trouble first. One-on-one, Sullinger has that little right-handed baby hook that he can get over Gates all day. But UC plays good help defense and it won't just be Gates that he'll have to be concerned with. Gates has the senior maturity now (I never though I'd say that) so he doesn't get fazed much now. But Sullinger also looked more mature against Gonzaga than I've previously seen. Thomas does provide a really hard matchup for UC and I think he'll be one of the deciding factors. I think Craft will eat Wright alive but UC can mix around who plays PG and that will get mitigated.

    I think both OSU and UC are playing very well. Seems that all of the tourney games I've watched the refs have let an awful lot of banging and bashing go on so it will be a lot like yesterday's games and be bruising. It's a fascinating matchup and I think it will be a very close game. Depth will be a factor too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    If the refs call this game like a Big East game, I'd give Cincinnati a decent shot at the upset. They're an incredibly physical and mentally tough defense. All four guards have quick hands and swat at every ball within arm's reach. It leads to lots of turnovers and disrupts offensive sets. On the block, Gates looks to physically dominate the low post defensively and works to keep his man away from the hoop to allow for a collapsing double team. The defense is capable of generating lots of stops and creating easy buckets in transition.

    If the refs call a tight game, it's going to be problematic for UC because they're very susceptible to cheap fouls coming off their aggressive defense.
    I'll be happy if they just call a fair game. Don't let the big guys kill each other then call a bump out front a block. Of course, that is exactly how much of college bball is called, so I digress
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    This is a good take on the game.

    I agree that Gates and Sullinger are the same kind of player. It will be a race to see who gets who in foul trouble first. One-on-one, Sullinger has that little right-handed baby hook that he can get over Gates all day. But UC plays good help defense and it won't just be Gates that he'll have to be concerned with. Gates has the senior maturity now (I never though I'd say that) so he doesn't get fazed much now. But Sullinger also looked more mature against Gonzaga than I've previously seen. Thomas does provide a really hard matchup for UC and I think he'll be one of the deciding factors. I think Craft will eat Wright alive but UC can mix around who plays PG and that will get mitigated.

    I think both OSU and UC are playing very well. Seems that all of the tourney games I've watched the refs have let an awful lot of banging and bashing go on so it will be a lot like yesterday's games and be bruising. It's a fascinating matchup and I think it will be a very close game. Depth will be a factor too.
    I am going to expand upon this.

    When talking about Gates, Sullinger is the type of player many people hoped Gates would develop into. He has a good back to the basket as well as a face up game. He also has the ability to make tough shots and draw fouls. It also doesn't hurt that he is a top tier player and gets some help on foul calls. He struggles against bigger guys and shot blockers. He struggled against Sacre but still ended up with a nice stat line when the game ended. I like the matchup with Gates because I don't think he can guard Sully one on one. Help will need to come, most probably from Jackson, which would leave Thomas open.

    I don't know if Cash has faced a on ball defender as good as Craft. An issue I have with Cash is he dribbles the ball pretty lose and high for a primary ball handler. I have a feeling Craft will drive him nuts and if I am a UC fan I would worry about that matchup. The on ball defensive pressure will high this game and I don't know how much UC has seen on that.

    I think that Buford will end up on Killpatrick which is another interesting match up. I don't think Buford gets enough credit for being as good of a defender as he is. Killpatrick will need to do a good job of guarding Buford, or maybe leave him wide open becasue he tends to miss when he is wide open.

    One thing that really worked against OSU that Purdue exploited was the high ball screen with a big out top. It got Sullinger on a guard and Purdue was able to keep the games close by doing that. I haven't seen UC do a whole bunch of that this season but wonder if it will be used against OSU. As of right now I like OSU's matchups better than UC's. I think UC will need to go nuts from 3 early like they did against Syracuse to win. They have a punchers chance, will come out with a lot of energy, and have been playing well as of late. As an OSU fan I don't really like the matchup because of being a fan of both, the proximinity of both schools, and having a bunch of big time UC fans as friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    One thing that really worked against OSU that Purdue exploited was the high ball screen with a big out top. It got Sullinger on a guard and Purdue was able to keep the games close by doing that. I haven't seen UC do a whole bunch of that this season but wonder if it will be used against OSU. As of right now I like OSU's matchups better than UC's. I think UC will need to go nuts from 3 early like they did against Syracuse to win. They have a punchers chance, will come out with a lot of energy, and have been playing well as of late. As an OSU fan I don't really like the matchup because of being a fan of both, the proximinity of both schools, and having a bunch of big time UC fans as friends.
    I think any team that faces OSU has to try to ballscreen with Sully's man. Sully has gotten a little better as OSU hedges less and plays it flat more than earlier in the year, but also Thomas gets lost as to when/where to help off of the ballscreen from the weakside.

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    Very nice article by Dan Wetzel...

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    I dont think Mick's even gonna play that much man2man bc if Gates gets in foul trouble, the game is over. I do think Gates could give Sully trouble, similar to Payne/Nix at MSU, but at the same time its a huge gamble to leave him one on one with a guy that gets to the FT line like sully does and not having any depth up front makes me think he'll go zone. I think he'll mostly use the 221 press, but not really an aggressive press thats going for steals, but more just to waste some time on the shot clock, slow the tempo, and not have to guard OH St in the half court for a full 35 seconds.

    Also, if they are in man2man (and im sure they'll play it some, prob 80% zone, 20% man), JJack can not guard Thomas whatsoever. He might, be athletic enough to cover him, but hes a walking foul when he is in the game. I think Parker, despite the size difference, would have a better chance on Thomas than JJack does. I think hes a physical enough rebounder to not give up a ton of stickbacks, whereas Jackson is gonna end up leaving Thomas way too often to help/try to block shots which will give Thomas easy stickbacks and wide open 3's.

    Thomas is the only poor defender on Ohio State imo, and whoever he ends up on, should have an advantage going off the dribble (i assume he'll be on Parker). I think both the Thomas/Parker and Buford/Kilpatrick matchups are actually a lot more important to who will win/lose than the Gates/Sully one, although Gates/Sullinger will get almost all of the media attention for obvious reasons.
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