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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    While Doug is right about the walks always being present, I stand by my original statement that it seemed as though EV was on his way to becoming an ace given his performance in 08.
    He had a great first half and I just leave it at that. In terms of being on track to be an ace, it was the proverbial fools gold.

    An ERA of 4.60 after the break.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Ryan in his 20's was not as good as Ryan in his 30's

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    WALKS/9 IP                    BB/9 IP   SO/9 IP    RSAA      IP       N_W      N_L    
    1    Bobby Witt                 5.73     2.15      -71   1393         76       93   
    2    Cy Seymour                 5.73     2.77        8   1029         62       56   
    3    Mickey McDermott           5.70     1.10       46   1283         76       61   
    4    Bob Turley                 5.56     2.07       41   1441         85       73   
    5    Nolan Ryan                 5.49     4.47       49   1935        126      112   
    6    Ken Chase                  5.37     0.89      -28   1164         67       70   
    7    Ed Crane                   5.27     0.85        8   1107.2       62       58   
    8    Randy Johnson              5.18     3.81       32   1073.1       66       58   
    9    Oliver Perez               5.08     2.32      -61   1111.2       58       69   
    10   Johnny Vander Meer         5.05     2.94       53   1245         79       62   
    
    
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    1    Vern Kennedy               4.73     -.47     -101   1520         81      101   
    2    Allie Reynolds             4.47     1.20       83   2130        133      114   
    3    Nolan Ryan                 4.42     4.02      113   2391        149      116   
    4    Earl Moore                 4.41     1.05       17   1047.2       67       59   
    5    Bump Hadley                4.37     -.05      -15   1098         57       59   
    6    Mike Moore                 4.27    -1.31      -83   1133         63       82   
    7    Tony Mullane               4.24     0.04       73   1673        102       81   
    8    Hideo Nomo                 4.22     1.37      -47   1192         69       73   
    9    Al Leiter                  4.11     0.64      105   1869        130       99   
    10   Bobby Witt                 4.10     -.07      -59   1072         60       70

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    EV has/had ace stuff. The problem wasn't talent, it was skill. I don't believe he ever really let himself learn how to pitch. If he does that, let himself learn (all sorts of anecdotal evidence there) The yes, he can still be one. For what it's worth... his last 5 starts:

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    DATE	OPPONENT	RESULT	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	GB	FB	TBF	Pit	
    07/03	@ BOS		L 1-2	6.0	7	1	1	0	1	6	9	9	26	104	
    06/28	@ MIA		W 9-2	6.0	7	2	2	0	1	8	6	11	26	105	
    06/22	vs LAD		L 1-6	5.2	2	5	2	1	7	7	10	3	27	108	
    06/17	@ SF		W 5-3	5.0	6	3	3	0	1	6	11	3	21	89	
    06/12	vs ATL		W 5-3	7.0	6	1	1	0	3	9	7	9	28	106
    4 tough opponents and Miami.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    [QUOTE=TRF;2903688]EV has/had ace stuff. The problem wasn't talent, it was skill. I don't believe he ever really let himself learn how to pitch. If he does that, let himself learn (all sorts of anecdotal evidence there) The yes, he can still be one. For what it's worth... his last 5 starts:

    Learning to pitch isn't the problem. Control is the problem. He has poor control.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    EV has/had ace stuff. The problem wasn't talent, it was skill. I don't believe he ever really let himself learn how to pitch. If he does that, let himself learn (all sorts of anecdotal evidence there) The yes, he can still be one. For what it's worth... his last 5 starts:

    Learning to pitch isn't the problem. Control is the problem. He has poor control.
    That's exactly what learning to pitch is. Learning to control what you have.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    If we are using EV's last 5 starts to prop him up, he has a WHIP of 1.38, which would be good enough for 38th in the NL.

    He currently ranks 46th out of 48 qualified guys in that category for the year.

    Sorry, he just isn't good enough to overcome his God-given talent for walking guys.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    throw

    That's exactly what learning to pitch is. Learning to control what you have.
    Actually I would argue that learning control is at most only a part of learning to pitch and instead is better described as being part of learning to throw. Learning to pitch is learning what pitches to throw, where, when, in what order, from what angle, from where on the rubber, and at what speed and being able to do this knowing not only what you know in advance about the batter but also from being able to read his stance and position in the box. Being adjust on the fly pitch by pitch too is to be learned. Control is step one but without knowing what you are doing it is like knowing the alphabet but not being able to spell.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    EV has/had ace stuff. The problem wasn't talent, it was skill. I don't believe he ever really let himself learn how to pitch. If he does that, let himself learn (all sorts of anecdotal evidence there) The yes, he can still be one. For what it's worth... his last 5 starts:

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    DATE	OPPONENT	RESULT	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	GB	FB	TBF	Pit	
    07/03	@ BOS		L 1-2	6.0	7	1	1	0	1	6	9	9	26	104	
    06/28	@ MIA		W 9-2	6.0	7	2	2	0	1	8	6	11	26	105	
    06/22	vs LAD		L 1-6	5.2	2	5	2	1	7	7	10	3	27	108	
    06/17	@ SF		W 5-3	5.0	6	3	3	0	1	6	11	3	21	89	
    06/12	vs ATL		W 5-3	7.0	6	1	1	0	3	9	7	9	28	106
    4 tough opponents and Miami.
    I'm always shocked when he can log more than 5-6 innings.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    [QUOTE=TRF;2903694]
    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post

    That's exactly what learning to pitch is. Learning to control what you have.
    Learning to pitch to me has always been about mixing your stuff better and improving your offspeed stuff rather than just "throwing" the fastball over and over (basically being like Tony Cingrani).

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

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    Learning to pitch to me has always been about mixing your stuff better and improving your offspeed stuff rather than just "throwing" the fastball over and over (basically being like Tony Cingrani).
    Which is why Cingrani seems to have ace potential, right? Because he's so far from a finished product, and yet manages to dominate as a one-trick pony.
    "Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    you guys kinda suck at using the 'reply with quote' option
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    you guys kinda suck at using the 'reply with quote' option
    All my fault. I wanted to quote just one part of TRF's original post and so I had to edit where the quote/quote tags were. I screwed that up, so anyone who quoted my post wound up with a screwed up quote as well.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

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    I still root for Ears, hope his family problem gets better.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
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    I still root for Ears, hope his family problem gets better.
    Whats the story with AK?

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    No idea.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."


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