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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    As far as Didi vs Cozart goes, I don't know man, that's 60 points of OBP difference. He'd look pretty good hitting 2nd right now. I think he's a few steps above Zack.

    But that's why the DBacks wanted him, and why I would've done the trade.
    Didi is now a part time player who has OPS'd around .600 for the last 2+ months. He is absolutely brutal vs. left handers, and the Dbacks have realized that. They also bat Didi 8th now, and he would look awful in the 2 hole. Cozart has also been the better defender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott91575 View Post
    Didi is now a part time player who has OPS'd around .600 for the last 2+ months. He is absolutely brutal vs. left handers, and the Dbacks have realized that. They also bat Didi 8th now, and he would look awful in the 2 hole. Cozart has also been the better defender.
    His OBP in the last two months blows what Cozart has done this season (or over the same stretch of 2 months) out of the water..... shouldn't bat 2nd though.

    I also don't know that Cozart has been the better defender. The numbers say he is better, but you know what they say about defensive metrics and how long it takes for them to normalize. Both guys are good though.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    As the Reds head to Milwaukee, Juan Francisco of the Brewers has the follow stat line in 191 Brewer PAs this year -- .251/.335/.491/.826 OPS. With them, JF has 59 Ks and 20 BBs, a lot of Ks but an improved ratio from his earlier days. Reds should be careful with him in series coming up, Parra should be getting ready for him in clutch spots.

    Still not a complete player by any means, but JF is dangerous.
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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    A month later, Didi is now at

    .270/.337/.392/.728

    Which is still a nice line overall for a SS, but indicative that he was playing over his head in April/May and that we didn't trade away an obvious superstar SS.
    A little over a week later and 1 hit in his last 5 games leaves Didi at .257/.326/.371/.697.

    For reference, Cozart's OPS last year was .687.
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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Cozart is awfully old to be figuring something out to make a real change in his OBP.

    Didi's could go down, though I wouldn't expect it to do so. His peripherals are pretty much in line with what is expected of him.
    I don't get the awfully old comment at all. It's a resounding theme with you and Cozart - I get that. 28-33 is the understood prime age for mlbers. Are you suggesting a player peaks and becomes "he is what he is"? I guess I just disagree. Coaching still occurs, adjustments still occur, watching and analytics of video still occur, a professional drive to get better and make more money still occurs. Impending Free Agency comes around this time. I could go on and on. I am opptimustic that players such as Cozart don't just throw in the towell at an awfully old age of 28. I see no physical or mental Attributes that tell me Cozart has peaked and packed it in.
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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    I don't get the awfully old comment at all. It's a resounding theme with you and Cozart - I get that. 28-33 is the understood prime age for mlbers. Are you suggesting a player peaks and becomes "he is what he is"? I guess I just disagree. Coaching still occurs, adjustments still occur, watching and analytics of video still occur, a professional drive to get better and make more money still occurs. Impending Free Agency comes around this time. I could go on and on. I am opptimustic that players such as Cozart don't just throw in the towell at an awfully old age of 28. I see no physical or mental Attributes that tell me Cozart has peaked and packed it in.
    Historically, players at this age simply don't improve much. For every one that does, 1000 remained who they were. And Cozart is trending in the wrong direction.

    Is it possible that he improves? Sure. Is it likely? Absolutely not.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Historically, players at this age simply don't improve much. For every one that does, 1000 remained who they were. And Cozart is trending in the wrong direction.

    Is it possible that he improves? Sure. Is it likely? Absolutely not.
    I think you're talking out of your butt on this one. You are greatly exaggerating here. How about EE, Bartolo Colon, even Miguel Cabrera is having his best season ever?

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    I think you're talking out of your butt on this one. You are greatly exaggerating here. How about EE, Bartolo Colon, even Miguel Cabrera is having his best season ever?
    Miggys worst year probably crushes Zacks best potential years. I'd take an EE type of improvement but that took a change of scenery.

    Zack is what he is. A slick fielding, medium powered shortstop.

    It would have been nice to have tried out DiDi but not sure how that could have happened.
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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    I think you're talking out of your butt on this one. You are greatly exaggerating here. How about EE, Bartolo Colon, even Miguel Cabrera is having his best season ever?
    Hitters tend to progress on a bell curve, peaking at ages 27 or 28. They gradually get better up to there then gradually get worse from there.

    Not talking out of my butt. It is well known that players do this. There have been many, many studies showing it.

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    This is Zack's second season. Sophomore season if you will. He's still learning major league pitching. Most big leaguers don't sniff full time play until age 25-26, the bell curve says they peak within two-three years after debut and then it's all down hill? I don't buy it. Guess I need to research it.
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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    I think you're talking out of your butt on this one. You are greatly exaggerating here. How about EE, Bartolo Colon, even Miguel Cabrera is having his best season ever?
    Well, this theory that Doug is talking about goes back to Bill James in the 80s, and if you are suggesting that you know more about baseball than Bill James, then perhaps your butt is the one with words coming out of it.

    When did this board become full of skeptics to even basic advanced baseball knowledge? Every time Doug or RMR posts something anymore people come out of the woodwork with some snide comment that contributes nothing to the conversation.
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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    This is Zack's second season. Sophomore season if you will. He's still learning major league pitching. Most big leaguers don't sniff full time play until age 25-26, the bell curve says they peak within two-three years after debut and then it's all down hill? I don't buy it. Guess I need to research it.
    You probably do need to research it then because it has been shown over and over again that guys tend to do just that.

    I would also argue that guys who don't sniff full playing time until they are 25-26 aren't starting by the time they are 30. Clearly there are exceptions, but guys who aren't starting in the Majors by 23-24 usually don't start for very long.

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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

    Cozart has a 5.8 UZR/150 and a .638 OPS.
    Did has a 2.1 UZR/150 and a .692 OPS (and falling).

    Didi is much younger and will probably end up being a marginally better player than Cozart. Neither are very good and giving up Didi for Choo was a no brainer.
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    Re: Tracking - Alonso, Grandal, Volquez, Boxberger, Sappelt, Wood, Torreyes

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    1	Encarnacion	Blue Jays	117	516	123	30	74	89	7	12.60%	10.10%	0.261	0.254	0.276	0.37	0.537	0.389	146	-2.5	1.3	3.6
    10	Dunn		White Sox	113	468	93	27	49	70	1	13.50%	28.40%	0.233	0.273	0.233	0.34	0.466	0.349	117	-7.9	-3	0.4
    12	Francisco	- - -		91	310	70	17	33	45	0	8.70%	33.50%	0.226	0.331	0.251	0.319	0.477	0.344	118	-11.3	-1.3	0
    6	Gomes		Red Sox		86	265	53	10	37	33	0	12.80%	24.20%	0.197	0.281	0.238	0.343	0.435	0.34	110	-2	0.8	0.8
    7	Wood		Cubs		27	50	12	3	7	8	1	4.00%	34.00%	0.213	0.333	0.255	0.286	0.468	0.327	104		0.5	0.7
    5	Alonso		Padres		81	320	84	6	28	41	6	7.80%	12.80%	0.094	0.317	0.292	0.347	0.385	0.319	105	3.6	-1.7	0.8
    2	Denorfia	Padres		106	371	90	9	46	36	7	8.40%	16.20%	0.122	0.3	0.268	0.329	0.39	0.318	105	9.7	1.6	2.4
    8	Grandal		Padres		28	108	19	1	13	9	0	16.70%	16.70%	0.125	0.257	0.216	0.352	0.341	0.31	99	0	0	0.6
    3	Gregorius	Diamondbacks	81	319	73	5	39	19	0	7.80%	16.30%	0.116	0.297	0.256	0.326	0.372	0.308	89	1.1	1	1.2
    9	Dickerson	Orioles		46	106	25	4	16	13	4	3.80%	34.00%	0.167	0.339	0.245	0.274	0.412	0.299	84	5.1	0.8	0.5
    4	Stubbs		Indians		114	375	82	7	44	38	13	7.20%	29.60%	0.12	0.332	0.24	0.298	0.36	0.292	85	-0.1	5.3	0.9
    15	McDonald	Cubs		3	6	1	0	0	0	0	16.70%	16.70%	0	0.25	0.2	0.333	0.2	0.263	59		0	0
    16	Rosales		Athletics	51	154	26	4	11	8	0	6.50%	20.10%	0.125	0.218	0.191	0.267	0.316	0.261	63	-1.4	0.8	-0.1
    18	Sappelt		Cubs		31	78	18	0	6	4	3	3.80%	17.90%	0.04	0.295	0.24	0.269	0.28	0.246	47	-1.7	-0.4	-0.5
    19	Keppinger	White Sox	95	374	86	2	25	32	0	3.70%	8.80%	0.045	0.259	0.242	0.268	0.287	0.246	46	-0.4	-2.7	-1.6
    11	Volquez		Padres		22	41	4	1	3	4	0	2.40%	43.90%	0.125	0.231	0.125	0.152	0.25	0.177	7		0	0.1
    17	Janish		Braves		27	14	1	0	2	1	0	7.10%	21.40%	0	0.1	0.083	0.143	0.083	0.113	-41	-0.3	-0.1	-0.2
    13	Boxberger	Padres		1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0.00%	0.00%	0	0	0	0	0	0	-100		0	0
    14	Roenicke	Twins		1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0.00%	0.00%	0	0	0	0	0	0	-100		0	0

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