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    The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    In honor of Joey's milestone, I thought it might be a good time to bring these back:

    Doozy #1

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...otto#post42869

    Doozy #2
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...otto#post42856

    Doozy #3
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...otto#post42841

    Spot where the squirrel found the acorn:
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...otto#post42837

    "Body similar to Darren Fletcher . . ." (Ha ha ha ha. Did they just pick a mediocre catcher who played for Canadian teams?)
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...otto#post42835

    "Votto is looking like he was a large reach."
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ighlight=votto

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    the team the Reds are headed toward in a few years:

    C - Miller
    1B - Votto
    2B - Bergolla/Lopez
    SS - Olmedo
    3B - Encarnacion
    RF - Kearns
    CF - Pena
    LF - Dunn

    Obviously it won't pan out exactly like that, but that's the current target team. My guesstimate is that said club wouldn't be any good until 2006 at the earliest.

    [2006? who knew M2 was such an optimist?]
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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    If I'm Tony Womack, I'm asking for some of that $225 million

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ighlight=votto
    How, then, are those people of the future—who are taking steroids every day—going to look back on baseball players who used steroids? They're going to look back on them as pioneers. They're going to look back at it and say "So what?" - Bill James, Cooperstown and the 'Roids

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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    If I'm Tony Womack, I'm asking for some of that $225 million

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ighlight=votto
    Same with that guy who was ridiculed for instituting the take a strike philosophy which Joey later noted helped him in his development. Who was that guy again?

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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    I'm pretty sure I said some stuff about Votto when he was in the system that would look bad if it was brought up now.

    I got Cueto right, I got Votto wrong.
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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    I wasn't on here when Joey was drafted, but I specifically remember that I was pretty unhappy that they overdrafted someone in that slot.

    He is reason #1 why I don't get as fired up about specific draft picks anymore unless it is an egregious situation.

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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    I took my 2 teenage daughters to a game back when Bruce had just come up and Votto had been up for like a year. They both wanted Bruce jerseys. I told them at the time that Votto would end up being the better player.

    They ended up getting Votto jerseys.

    Smart girls. I was pretty smart too.
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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    Pretty nostalgic to read through those threads and read posters we haven't seen here in a long time..
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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    "Impressive physical specimen. Hard worker." Yep.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    Two thoughts:

    - Seeing the names of prospects in Votto's class and how much of a utter crap farm system the Reds had in the early 2000's.
    - Scott Hatteberg.

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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    Two thoughts:

    - Seeing the names of prospects in Votto's class and how much of a utter crap farm system the Reds had in the early 2000's.
    - Scott Hatteberg.
    If you want to have a good cry, check out the players that were drafted AFTER Gruler in the first round.

    Heck, the Reds could have had a draft of Hamels or Greinke, Votto, Lester, and Granderson in the first 3 rounds.
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    Great post Chili.

    Votto is the only one left in the system for that last thread!?!?!? Only a couple ever even contirbuted at all.....on the field or with trade value?

    Dear Lord I really have blocked out how horrific the Reds system was back then.
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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    I think Denorfia's the only other MLB player from that 2002 draft.
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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    I think Denorfia's the only other MLB player from that 2002 draft.
    It appears so. What an ugly draft for us. I'm not sure who else from that draft ever reached prospect status of any sort other than Gruler. I think Camilo Vazquez and Calvin Medlock had decent minor league careers, but dunno what happened to them.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/dr...2&draft_type=&
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    It appears so. What an ugly draft for us.
    Any draft that nets you a player the caliber of Joey Votto should be considered a great draft. Very few prospects actually work out, if you get yourself an MVP every season, and nothing else, you're going to win a handful of championships.

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    Re: The days most of us first heard of Joey Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    It appears so. What an ugly draft for us. I'm not sure who else from that draft ever reached prospect status of any sort other than Gruler. I think Camilo Vazquez and Calvin Medlock had decent minor league careers, but dunno what happened to them.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/dr...2&draft_type=&
    It would be interesting to rate drafts 15 years or so down the road based on sum total of WAR.


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