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    Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Homer Bailey used to throw a split. Not positive but I think he still does.
    He does, but it is generally classified as a change up.

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    Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

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    He does, but it is generally classified as a change up.
    Makes no sense to list a pitch and th.en call it something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Makes no sense to list a pitch and th.en call it something else.
    Well, I am assuming that AD took this from fangraphs. Fangraphs gets their data from Pitch F/X. Pitch F/X uses an algorithm that, while continuously improving, still classifies some pitches incorrectly. Even when you know what a pitch is supposed to move like, there are still guys out there who are trying to zoom in on video of certain pitchers/pitches to see the grip they are using because the pitch is tough to classify.

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    I thought Chapman had never thrown a change up in his life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Well, I am assuming that AD took this from fangraphs. Fangraphs gets their data from Pitch F/X. Pitch F/X uses an algorithm that, while continuously improving, still classifies some pitches incorrectly. Even when you know what a pitch is supposed to move like, there are still guys out there who are trying to zoom in on video of certain pitchers/pitches to see the grip they are using because the pitch is tough to classify.
    Baseball people know a split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Baseball people know a split.
    Baseball people don't classify the pitches for Pitch F/X, an algorithm does that is based on speed, movement and spin of the baseball. And I was just giving an example on how some guys go about trying to better determine the pitches that some guys are throwing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I thought Chapman had never thrown a change up in his life?
    He hasn't in the Majors. Well, maybe one this year. The pitches are being misclassified.... or his change up moves exactly like his fastball does (change ups don't typically move like a fastball, they have more run/tail and sink than the fastball).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    He hasn't in the Majors. Well, maybe one this year. The pitches are being misclassified.... or his change up moves exactly like his fastball does (change ups don't typically move like a fastball, they have more run/tail and sink than the fastball).
    Pitchers don't usually throw 102 with 93 MPH sliders either.
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    Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Baseball people don't classify the pitches for Pitch F/X, an algorithm does that is based on speed, movement and spin of the baseball. And I was just giving an example on how some guys go about trying to better determine the pitches that some guys are throwing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Baseball people know a split.
    Homer just doesn't know how to throw one.....
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    Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

    I have copied this one to the Archives. Nice post.

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    Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

    Good post, AD.

    I often look at Fangraphs to see this info for pitchers, but I've never seen it put together collectively like this. Very neat.
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    Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

    Alfredo Simon specializes in fastballs and wild pitches. He's really dealin' on the second one I mentioned. He has the makings of the next Reds closer. Well.....atleast Dusty thinks so.
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    Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Pitchers don't usually throw 102 with 93 MPH sliders either.
    No they don't, but if Chapman is throwing his change up and it moves just like his fastball, then he is throwing a low 90's fastball regardless of the grip he is using.

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    Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY View Post
    Exactly.
    I am confused as to what you were trying to say in this thread at this point.


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