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    Stubbs, have a seat

    Will be interesting if today's lineup clicks. Heisey in CF, Ludwick in LF. BP back in the lineup. If they start hitting, Stubbs could find reduced playing time. He simply has to make more contact than he has, like the bunt he did on Opening Day, then nothing since.

    Or not.

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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMT View Post
    Will be interesting if today's lineup clicks. Heisey in CF, Ludwick in LF. BP back in the lineup. If they start hitting, Stubbs could find reduced playing time. He simply has to make more contact than he has, like the bunt he did on Opening Day, then nothing since.

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    He plays everyday regardless of anything.

    Part of Dusty's greatness....his opportunities for "fast" people.....and no one is faster than Drew....hence no one will play more.

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    Heisey hasn't exactly did anything when he's gotten starts either. I think he has one hit as a starter this year...I could be wrong though. I like the idea though, you may as well platoon those two in CF until one of them starts to do something. Both of them are a strikeout waiting to happen. Ludwick hasn't been good either, but I hope we play him in LF and hope that he starts to hit.

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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman92 View Post
    He plays everyday regardless of anything.

    Part of Dusty's greatness....his opportunities for "fast" people.....and no one is faster than Drew....hence no one will play more.
    Yeah the Reds routinely get "Dusty'd" thanks to their stubborn manager.

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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    Heisey > Stubbs
    Heisey isn't as good on defense but he doesn't strike out 7 times a game either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Luke View Post
    Heisey > Stubbs
    Heisey isn't as good on defense but he doesn't strike out 7 times a game either.
    The numbers do not support your claim....

    Career Numbers:

    Heisey - .252 AVG; .315 OBP; .456 SLG; 25.3% K ratio (141 K's/557 PA's)

    Stubbs - .249 AVG; .322 OBP; .400 SLG; 29% K ratio (434 K's/1498 PA's)

    Obvuiously, Stubbs has a larger data size to go off of but those numbers are very similar and I don't think there is any question that Stubbs has more speed and is a better defensive outfielder.

    I get the Stubbs bashing to a point....his at bats can be aggrevating at times. But, before you send him to the bench, understand what you are putting out there in his place....basically the same guy with less speed.

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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Luke View Post
    Heisey > Stubbs
    Heisey isn't as good on defense but he doesn't strike out 7 times a game either.
    Stubbs gets four at-bats in an average game yet manages to fit in six strikeouts. And he is FAST.
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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    What I can't figure out is why there is no change in his approach at the plate. This tell's me the Reds coaching staff is okay with Stubbs free swinging because there doesn't seem to be any change.

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    Hate on Stubbs all you want but if he's in center on that double that sailed over Heisey's head he makes that catch and the Nats might not score in that inning (would've been the 2nd out). He also probably makes a better throw on the play at the plate in the 7th. Heisey is a great 4th outfielder and his defense is fine in LF but I do not like watching him in CF.

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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    heisey in center is not the answer over stubbs

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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    What I can't figure out is why there is no change in his approach at the plate. This tell's me the Reds coaching staff is okay with Stubbs free swinging because there doesn't seem to be any change.
    Nothing changes because Stubbs is in denial and Baker refuses to confront him.

    “Especially with the off day coming, it gives you some time to collect yourself and kind of bounce back in a couple of days,” Stubbs said. “I think a lot of times when you hit a little bit of a stretch when you’re struggling, you start to try (to) make corrections on things that weren’t really wrong to begin with."

    I'm curious what the "things that weren’t really wrong to begin with" are.

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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    Right now I don't think Stubbs should bat higher than 7th. Truth be told I wish they'd bat him behind the pitcher and let him hit 9th.

    Hitting 9th would reduce his ABs yet allow him to jump start the top of the order and potentially still be able to utilize his speed.

    Having said that I realize Baker would never think outside of the box like that.

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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    Nothing changes because Stubbs is in denial and Baker refuses to confront him.“Especially with the off day coming, it gives you some time to collect yourself and kind of bounce back in a couple of days,” Stubbs said. “I think a lot of times when you hit a little bit of a stretch when you’re struggling, you start to try (to) make corrections on things that weren’t really wrong to begin with."I'm curious what the "things that weren’t really wrong to begin with" are.
    Stubbs can always fall back on his ability to do stand-up comedy. "A little bit of a stretch"? I would hate to see a full-time slump from Drew then.

    In his last 503 PA in 2011 his line was .230/.304/.328/.632.
    In his first 38 PA in 2012 his line is .167/.211/.167/.377.

    Combined, the last 541 times he has stepped into the box as a professional baseball player his numbers are, roughly, .225/.297/.317/.614.
    That would include 8 homers and 25 RBI. Oh, yes, and 174 stubb outs.

    541 PA. Is that a slump or is that who Drew Stubbs is? I am not sure. But what I do know is that is a heckuva lot more than "a little bit of a stretch'.

    Anyone else find it curious that Stubbs was trying to use ST at-bats to defend himself? I believe I heard roughly one million times on this board that what happens in ST matters not one whit. Pitchers are throwing arrow-straight fastballs to build up their arm strength and get their work in. Now that these same pitchers are throwing pitches in earnest with a little wrinkle in them old Drew is lost up there. Anyone that throws Stubbs a fastball is clearly not paying attention.
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    Re: Stubbs, have a seat

    2 things are for certain. Stubbs' hitting has been terrible for most of his professional career. Everyone else is an enourmous dropoff defensively in CF.

    How you weigh those things against each other decides whether Drew starts.


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