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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    Looks like a cold weekend in Chicago. I wonder if Phillips will play any?
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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    Looks like a cold weekend in Chicago. I wonder if Phillips will play any?
    Yes Baker said it was the cooler conditions that is why he is sitting Phillips because it is harder to get loose in these conditions. The high is going to be in the 40s all weekend in Chicago so he may sit the whole series.

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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

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    Yes Baker said it was the cooler conditions that is why he is sitting Phillips because it is harder to get loose in these conditions. The high is going to be in the 40s all weekend in Chicago so he may sit the whole series.
    Yep, I just adjusted my fantasy starters for the weekend. I'll be surprised if does anymore than pinch hit the entire weekend. May be good in a way. He can get that much more healthy with four days off counting Monday.
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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    I know about the danger of an injury that would take Phillips out for a long time, but the black hole that exists with Willie Harris at second is huge. Tough decision.
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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    I'm completely fine with giving BP time off with the hammy but a bench with Valdez and Harris is just loaded with suck.

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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    Valdez or Harris isn't worthy of a spot in the show. But better than putting a young talent there and not seeing any action I suppose....

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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

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    Valdez or Harris isn't worthy of a spot in the show. But better than putting a young talent there and not seeing any action I suppose....
    I don't agree with this. To be sure, Harris' spot could and should eventually go to a better hitter. But he has been a major league player for eleven years and he's a lot better than RedsZone says. Slightly past his peak perhaps, he was best as a Nat in 2008-09, but he's a reasonable bench player.

    Harris is off badly, he will pick it up, the Reds do need a stronger lefty bench bat, but Harris is not the garbage player some indicate.

    As for Valdez, he is a better hitter than Janish and can play the infield acceptably in a backup role. Which young talent do you want in his position, Valaika? Chris V has 20 Ks and 2 BBs at AAA, a .313 OBP, and isn't the versatile fielder that Valdez is.

    I want a good lefty bat on the Reds bench, I recognize they don't now have one, but these two guys are reasonable bench players for their positions.

    Let's just make believe they came up in the Reds organization and give them the endless patience that such players receive around here from some . . . .

    Meanwhile, Francisco is hitting the ball well for the Bravos, with some defensive issues.
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    I don't agree with this. To be sure, Harris' spot could and should eventually go to a better hitter. But he has been a major league player for eleven years and he's a lot better than RedsZone says. Slightly past his peak perhaps, he was best as a Nat in 2008-09, but he's a reasonable bench player.

    Harris is off badly, he will pick it up, the Reds do need a stronger lefty bench bat, but Harris is not the garbage player some indicate.

    As for Valdez, he is a better hitter than Janish and can play the infield acceptably in a backup role. Which young talent do you want in his position, Valaika? Chris V has 20 Ks and 2 BBs at AAA, a .313 OBP, and isn't the versatile fielder that Valdez is.

    I want a good lefty bat on the Reds bench, I recognize they don't now have one, but these two guys are reasonable bench players for their positions.

    Let's just make believe they came up in the Reds organization and give them the endless patience that such players receive around here . . . .

    Meanwhile, Francisco is hitting the ball well for the Bravos, with some defensive issues.
    True. That's why they are called "bench" players. Besides, I seem to remember the same "garbage player" label put on Miguel Cairo a couple years ago.

    It would be nice to have Phillips sit out a couple days and replace him in the lineup with Ian Kinsler or Dustin Pedroia, but small market teams who sign 1B to 13-year contracts @ $200+ million, are stuck with the Cairo's, Valdez's, and Harris's for bench strength.
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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    True. That's why they are called "bench" players. Besides, I seem to remember the same "garbage player" label put on Miguel Cairo a couple years ago.

    It would be nice to have Phillips sit out a couple days and replace him in the lineup with Ian Kinsler or Dustin Pedroia, but small market teams who sign 1B to 13-year contracts @ $200+ million, are stuck with the Cairo's, Valdez's, and Harris's for bench strength.
    Cairo isn't garbage. A career .270 batter with pop. Not even close to a Willie Harris or Valdez.

    Sorry if I irked you on my opinion. I shouldn't expect to see a black hole step up to the plate when Dusty goes to the bench.

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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

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    Cairo isn't garbage. A career .270 batter with pop. Not even close to a Willie Harris or Valdez.

    Sorry if I irked you on my opinion. I shouldn't expect to see a black hole step up to the plate when Dusty goes to the bench.
    No problem, you didn't ruffle my feathers in the least.

    I was just pointing out that two years ago, the prevailing opinion around here was that every time Cairo stepped to the plate to replace Rolen, Votto, or Phillips, that he was regarded as a "black hole." Cairo proved he was not a garbage player.

    As to Harris and Valdez, the jury is still out. Once Cairo comes back off the DL, I have a feeling Harris's number of plate appearances will diminish anyway. To fill in a game or two, Cairo, Harris, and Valdez are fine. But if one of the IF's go on the DL, I think I'd start thinking about Negron or Gregorius. I know Janish and Valaika are at AAA, but I don't think they are ANY upgrade from Harris or Valdez
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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    These two guys are washed up. Maybe that's what a bench is for, washed up guys who get overmatched every plate appearance? He is a career .238 batter. Not a solid bat of a bench by any stretch.

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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    Looks like Dempster might get scratched from the Sunday start against the Reds.

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    Re: 4-20-2012 Reds vs Cubs

    Can Frazier play 2nd decently at all? If so he should be there.
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    Not sure what Cozart did, but Stubbs singled to start things off. Votto up with a 2 ball count.
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