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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    It was a borderline pitch. It wasn't that horrendous a call. It's on Marshall, period.
    It wasn't borderline, as Doug showed. It was a horrendous call.

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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    If the strikezone is called correctly, he doesn't give up the home run. We don't know what happens after that, but Pagan would have been sitting on the bench.
    Well, the umpire didn't have one of those F/X charts.

    Not a good outing for Marshall.

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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    It wasn't borderline, as Doug showed. It was a horrendous call.
    Watching it live, looked like a borderline low pitch down the middle of the plate. F/X shows what it shows. Could have been called either way IMO.

    Marshall didn't have it today. He could have escaped with a different call, true, but he was still ahead in the count on Pagan when he gave up the home run.

    Marshall is a terrific pitcher, I just hope he succeeds as a closer. He's a lefty curve ball specialist, not the usual type. Chapman or Arredondo appear to be more like the usual closer.

    We'll see.
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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    I hate low-velocity bullpen arms, as a rule.

    I hate low-velocity bullpen arms used as high-leverage guys even more.
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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    I hate low-velocity bullpen arms, as a rule.

    I hate low-velocity bullpen arms used as high-leverage guys even more.
    If only the Reds had a high velocity arm in the pen to use as the closer...
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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    I really don't understand how anybody can watch a game like that and think "man, having umpires call balls and strikes unassisted by technology that could easily support them really adds to the game." Gotta love when the "human element" works against you...
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I really don't understand how anybody can watch a game like that and think "man, having umpires call balls and strikes unassisted by technology that could easily support them really adds to the game." Gotta love when the "human element" works against you...
    Funny thing, I actually think that Questec is causing more bad calls. Umps know they are being graded, and it gets into their heads. Instead of calling their game with their own consistant, yet inaccurate strike zone, they are worrying with each pitch what the machine would call it.

    I agree we need to use the best technology available, but having it and only half using it doesn't seem to be helping.
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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Well, the umpire didn't have one of those F/X charts.

    Not a good outing for Marshall.
    No, the umpire had an up close, 3 foot away view and still got it wrong.

    The human element in sports should be left to the players playing the game, not those making calls on the rules when we have things in place to make better and more accurate calls.

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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Watching it live, looked like a borderline low pitch down the middle of the plate. F/X shows what it shows. Could have been called either way IMO.

    Marshall didn't have it today. He could have escaped with a different call, true, but he was still ahead in the count on Pagan when he gave up the home run.
    EVery call could be called either way if we want to ignore the rules that determine the strikezone.

    If the strikezone is called properly, I imagine your second statement there wouldn't exist because the odds are pretty good that Marshall exits unscathed and we win.

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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Watching it live, looked like a borderline low pitch down the middle of the plate. F/X shows what it shows. Could have been called either way IMO.

    Marshall didn't have it today. He could have escaped with a different call, true, but he was still ahead in the count on Pagan when he gave up the home run.

    Marshall is a terrific pitcher, I just hope he succeeds as a closer. He's a lefty curve ball specialist, not the usual type. Chapman or Arredondo appear to be more like the usual closer.

    We'll see.
    I didn't think it looked borderline live. However, I did say previously that Marshall has to be better than that and cannot give up 3 run jacks when he has the lead.

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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Funny thing, I actually think that Questec is causing more bad calls. Umps know they are being graded, and it gets into their heads. Instead of calling their game with their own consistant, yet inaccurate strike zone, they are worrying with each pitch what the machine would call it.

    I agree we need to use the best technology available, but having it and only half using it doesn't seem to be helping.
    How about they just have the tech to have a machine call balls and strikes....period. Have someone behind the plate to call out what the machine says and make other calls...BUT not Balls and Strikes....and these umps tendencies to move their zone around through the game...or late in the game...or by what team is hitting or hitter in general.

    You want shorter games? This would be the way to do it.....you know what the zone is and you would not have teams ....like we know who...... taking pitch after pitch and getting benefits of calls beacuse of who they are.

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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    I hate low-velocity bullpen arms, as a rule.

    I hate low-velocity bullpen arms used as high-leverage guys even more.
    Yet Marshall has been one of the top late inning guys at least two years running. He had a bad outing. Generally, he's nails. I don't care if he throws it underhand if he consistently has easy innings, which he usually does. Today he made a mistake walking the #7 hitter then got screwed on a bad ball/strike call. What's his velocity got to do with that? In fact, he should have had back to back strikeouts on his way to working out of a jam.

    BTW, I like guys on the mound at any point in the game who are throwing one of the best of a kind of pitch in the game. When he throws the curveball for a strike, which consistently he does, its a barely hittable to unhittable pitch. It makes major league hitters look silly. I'd reconsider that rule.

    I'm really ticked about the call now. I was at the game and it was hard to tell from the left field stands and the replay looked like it might have been low. But pitch f/x shows it really wasn't even close. Rat farts!
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    Re: 4-26-2012 Reds vs Giants Break out the Brooms

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post


    Not really borderline.
    Thanks they didn't show the pitch on the Giants broadcast. Although, Krukow did say the Giants got a break on that one. Terrible pitch call, no doubt about that. Just more reason to use Questech or something of the sort for balls and strikes. I hate games being decided by bad calls late in a game. You can usually overcome bad calls within the game but when they are late like yesterday you can't.
    Still the Reds left some runs on base they should have had in. Stubbs blundering on the bases hurt them too. He slowed around 2nd and then tried to turn it on to third. Also wasted a good outing by Bailey. I thought that was the best he looked all season. If the Reds can get that from him most times out you will take it all season long.
    Gotta put this one behind and move on. The Reds have to take care of business the next three series. I think they need 6 of 9 at the minimum against these poor teams. You got to beat up on the "littles" to win a divison or make the playoffs.
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