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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    I think the bigger question is "Can the Angels afford to keep Mike Trout?"
    I think without a doubt.

    Trout is the type of kid who would play for free. He'll be very very easy for them to extend. Much more unlikely of a player to go for a $300 or $400 million dollar deal than Bryce Harper is.
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    I just can't get over how good this kid is. He is hitting .288/.375/.528 with 17 walks and 23 strikeouts in 144 plate appearances. He has a 143 OPS+. Has a teenager ever finished a season that high in history? Mel Ott, Tony Conigliaro and Jimmy Foxx were in the 130's. I can't think of anyone else to even check it against.

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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I just can't get over how good this kid is. He is hitting .288/.375/.528 with 17 walks and 23 strikeouts in 144 plate appearances. He has a 143 OPS+. Has a teenager ever finished a season that high in history? Mel Ott, Tony Conigliaro and Jimmy Foxx were in the 130's. I can't think of anyone else to even check it against.
    Trout is better

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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    He is unreal.

    What does he have that mega prospects Bruce & Heyward do not?
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990 View Post
    He is unreal.

    What does he have that mega prospects Bruce & Heyward do not?
    Lack of a second - and more - season.
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Each after the game where they eclipsed 144 plate appearances:

    Harper .288/.375/.528/.903 with 5 HR & 14 RBI
    Bruce .292/.361/.477/.837 with 6 HR & 19 RBI
    Heyward .276/.392/.553/.945 with 8 HR & 29 RBI
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990 View Post
    He is unreal.

    What does he have that mega prospects Bruce & Heyward do not?
    This is a bit disjointed, but...

    I don't know about Heyward, but Bruce's issue is almost entirely mental. He seems to rest on his laurels a bit, but that isn't quite right. I don't think he actively ever thinks "well, that's good enough for now" but rather, when he wins an award like PoW or PoM, something clicks with him and his effort drops...no, that's not even right...more like he's reached a pinnacle of his ability and when he regresses a bit he doesn't have a baseline to fall back to. That makes him try even harder, which kills his game until he gets untracked a few weeks or months down the road.

    If you watch Votto, he always has a baseline performance. If he goes into a funk, he starts concentrating on hitting the ball up the middle and his overall performance doesn't drop much. Bruce's thing might be different (Welsh suggested it might be going the opposite way), but he hasn't found it. So he hits these amazing highs, but drops off precipitously to lower lows. Honestly I think it comes from trying TOO hard, from not trusting his skills and talent and technique, and instead "trying" to make something happen. When he stops trying, the game comes to him and we all know what he can do then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I just can't get over how good this kid is. He is hitting .288/.375/.528 with 17 walks and 23 strikeouts in 144 plate appearances. He has a 143 OPS+. Has a teenager ever finished a season that high in history? Mel Ott, Tony Conigliaro and Jimmy Foxx were in the 130's. I can't think of anyone else to even check it against.
    Ott is the standard for teens

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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Each after the game where they eclipsed 144 plate appearances:

    Harper .288/.375/.528/.903 with 5 HR & 14 RBI
    Bruce .292/.361/.477/.837 with 6 HR & 19 RBI
    Heyward .276/.392/.553/.945 with 8 HR & 29 RBI
    Trout (156 PAs) .331/.385/.547/.931 with 5 HR & 22 RBI

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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Teenage phenoms? How about Ken Griffey Jr.?

    His age 19 season in 1989:
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    This is a bit disjointed, but...

    I don't know about Heyward, but Bruce's issue is almost entirely mental. He seems to rest on his laurels a bit, but that isn't quite right. I don't think he actively ever thinks "well, that's good enough for now" but rather, when he wins an award like PoW or PoM, something clicks with him and his effort drops...no, that's not even right...more like he's reached a pinnacle of his ability and when he regresses a bit he doesn't have a baseline to fall back to. That makes him try even harder, which kills his game until he gets untracked a few weeks or months down the road.
    Have talked to a few people about as close to Jay Bruce as it gets and it's just the opposite.

    He doesn't rest on his laurels. He actually still wonders if he belongs at times. More of a confidence thing and when he gets rolling he really REALLY gets rolling and when he's bad wonders how he will ever get a hit again.
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990 View Post
    Have talked to a few people about as close to Jay Bruce as it gets and it's just the opposite.

    He doesn't rest on his laurels. He actually still wonders if he belongs at times. More of a confidence thing and when he gets rolling he really REALLY gets rolling and when he's bad wonders how he will ever get a hit again.
    If you read that again, I didn't mean to imply that he rests on his laurels. But I see what you're saying about the confidence thing too. It's like when he starts to go bad, he doesn't have the confidence to rely on his baseline skills and talent until he can get rolling again.
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990 View Post
    Have talked to a few people about as close to Jay Bruce as it gets and it's just the opposite.

    He doesn't rest on his laurels. He actually still wonders if he belongs at times. More of a confidence thing and when he gets rolling he really REALLY gets rolling and when he's bad wonders how he will ever get a hit again.
    That's pretty much what I thought. He just starts thining too much when times aren't so good at the plate. If he could ever to learn to just relax and just know he will come out of these slumps. Then they might not last as long as they do now.
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    Trout (156 PAs) .331/.385/.547/.931 with 5 HR & 22 RBI

    Like Brutus said...
    Trout is doing that at age 20 though.... here's his age 19 stats: .220/.281/.390; OPS: .672; OPS+: 87.
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    Re: Nationals recall Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Trout is doing that at age 20 though.... here's his age 19 stats: .220/.281/.390; OPS: .672; OPS+: 87.
    A completely valid point that I overlooked.
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