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    What weight do you put on QS stat?

    Homer now has I believe 5 out of 7 starts listed as "Quality Starts" which I believe is 6 innings and 3 runs or less. So..is this stat something that defines the quality of a pitcher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Homer now has I believe 5 out of 7 starts listed as "Quality Starts" which I believe is 6 innings and 3 runs or less. So..is this stat something that defines the quality of a pitcher?
    I've seen better, seen worse. It's worth something because it identifies how often a pitcher keeps their team in the game. On this team, I would say that's a valid goal for a pitcher. This is especially true when we're talking about a 4th starter. If Homer keeps piling up the QS's, I'll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Homer now has I believe 5 out of 7 starts listed as "Quality Starts" which I believe is 6 innings and 3 runs or less. So..is this stat something that defines the quality of a pitcher?
    I think as a stat it creates an interesting paradox. If your starter gives up 3 runs over 6 innings, you say that's not bad, I will take it.

    On the flip side, if for the full year a guy did that he would have an ERA of 4.50 you would not consider him a quality starter, but back of the rotation filler.

    My opinion is if you can't go 7 innings its not a quality start. If you had a season full of 6 inning "quality starts' your bullpen would be burned out by August and there is nothing quality about that.

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    Which is it? A QS or a High ERA?? Seems to be the same thing so it is ironic and a pardox which is just strange. He is a Quality starter with a very High ERA!!!



    You have 7 pitchers in the pen and 3 innings a day is going to burn them out, Bullcrap!
    They should all be able to pitch an inning every other day and the closer 1 every day.
    That is not going to burn out anyone. If you get 6 innings out of every start and give up less than 3 runs you will win if the BP does their job.
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    Re: What weight do you put on QS stat?

    I think it's just a number that shows how many times you didn't get blown up.

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    Re: What weight do you put on QS stat?

    What should a QS be if 6/3 isn't the right number base? Would 7/2? or 6/2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    What should a QS be if 6/3 isn't the right number base? Would 7/2? or 6/2?
    I would take 7/3. Over a season that is a 3.85 era, which I would consider to be quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krm1580 View Post
    I think as a stat it creates an interesting paradox. If your starter gives up 3 runs over 6 innings, you say that's not bad, I will take it.

    On the flip side, if for the full year a guy did that he would have an ERA of 4.50 you would not consider him a quality starter, but back of the rotation filler.

    My opinion is if you can't go 7 innings its not a quality start. If you had a season full of 6 inning "quality starts' your bullpen would be burned out by August and there is nothing quality about that.
    The league average for innings pitched per start has held at 6 for almost 30 years. Teams have survived. I think 6/3 is considered dead on average. Better or equal to than average innings are "quality" innings because most would agree that has value. If you're going less than 6 or giving up more than 3, that becomes worse than league average.

    I think 6/3 is as good of a cutoff as any.

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    The average ERA for NL starters this year is 3.72. I am not sure how 3.87 (and certainly not 4.50) can be considered 'quality' when it would be a below average performance. That being said, I would agree that 3 runs in 7 innings should give your team a reasonable shot at winning. Maybe they should change the name from 'Quality Start' to 'Competitive Start' or something along those lines. I believe that is really what the stat is trying to measure anyway, how many times a pitcher gives his team a reasonable shot at winning.
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    If a reliever pitched an inning every other game he would end up with 81 innings pitched. In 2011 that would have ranked him 5th in the NL. 81 innings is a lot and I would imagine a ton of relievers would struggle under such a workload.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    The average ERA for NL starters this year is 3.72. I am not sure how 3.87 (and certainly not 4.50) can be considered 'quality' when it would be a below average performance. That being said, I would agree that 3 runs in 7 innings should give your team a reasonable shot at winning. Maybe they should change the name from 'Quality Start' to 'Competitive Start' or something along those lines. I believe that is really what the stat is trying to measure anyway, how many times a pitcher gives his team a reasonable shot at winning.
    Just curious, what was it last year? It's always lower this time of year than after August when the weather heats up and the injuries mount.

    Also, QS is a metric for MLB, so you should probably be using stats for MLB rather than just the NL. Just my opinion.

    I do kind've like your suggestion about renaming the stat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swaisuc View Post
    Just curious, what was it last year? It's always lower this time of year than after August when the weather heats up and the injuries mount.

    Also, QS is a metric for MLB, so you should probably be using stats for MLB rather than just the NL. Just my opinion.

    I do kind've like your suggestion about renaming the stat.
    2011 NL average starter ERA was 3.81. I never look at the AL stats because 1) The Reds are an NL team, and 2) the DH is gonna skew things. The AL average starter ERA in 2011 was 4.08 for those interested.
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    Re: What weight do you put on QS stat?

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    2011 NL average starter ERA was 3.81. I never look at the AL stats because 1) The Reds are an NL team, and 2) the DH is gonna skew things. The AL average starter ERA in 2011 was 4.08 for those interested.
    So the accepted QS right now is more quality in the AL over the NL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    So the accepted QS right now is more quality in the AL over the NL?
    I don't even care one bit about the AL to be honest. If the Reds ever make it to the World Series that would change for a maximum of seven games.
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    Re: What weight do you put on QS stat?

    If every game our starters gave up 3 runs in 6 innings we would win way more games than we lose. Bailey has pitched pretty good so far, like I said in another post, he has been the 3rd best pitcher on the team so far.


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