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    Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    After his 2 HR tonight, I thought I'd just throw it out there. Rolen would have been batting there anyways. It's not like we have some great alternative. Cozart is scuffling. Move BP up to leadoff again, Frazier to cleanup, Cozart to 6/7. Makes sense to me.
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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    I love Frazier but

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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    I think he's a good candidate, but I'd hope Bruce gets another shot before Frazier, who still has a lot to prove in general. But you have to love the way the ball jumps off his bat. Ideal for doubles and LD home runs. Him and Mez seem like they come through the zone pretty even.
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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Well, if you are going base everything on one game, let's move Frazier to cleanup nad make Leake our #1 starter.

    If there is anything that screams "small sample size", it's one game.

    Oh, and strip Joey of his gold glove.

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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    I don't know about cleanup hitter. But what a great night for Todd, to come home to the NY/NJ area and hit two big homers. I just watched the replay of his second homer and what a huge grin he had rounding the bases.

    And Citi is a big ballpark, no cheap homers there. Great night for Frazier.

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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Don't get me wrong guys, he's not my idea either. But assuming Dusty won't move Bruce up, do you really prefer Phillips? Rolen? Heisey?
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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Well, if you are going base everything on one game, let's move Frazier to cleanup nad make Leake our #1 starter.

    If there is anything that screams "small sample size", it's one game.

    Oh, and strip Joey of his gold glove.
    He has a .659 slugging percentage thus far this year, albeit in just under 50 PAs. I can see the argument made regardless of this one game.
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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    He has a .659 slugging percentage thus far this year, albeit in just under 50 PAs. I can see the argument made regardless of this one game.
    Before this game no one was talking about Frazier other than to suggest that Walt was still sitting on his hands about the third base problem.

    His SL % was .487 before the 2 HR's, and his OPS was below .800.

    If the argument could have been made before this game, it certainly never was. If fact, many suggested that other than his PH appearances, he'd hit virtually nothing as a regular.

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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    I know the 2 HR are nice, and that there aren't many other good options, but is there any real evidence that Frazier projects as a competent cleanup hitter? I sure hope that Bruce gets a tryout there before Todd moves in... this LH-RH-LH stubborness is driving me nuts.
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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Let's wait awhile. He's going to be OK, but it's a little early to annoint him so soon. Too soon to know in the glow of a win. Heisey was the latest candidate and he simply showed what he was tonight--a kid with potential. Potential doesn't win ball games. We will know moreau times go on.
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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    I know the 2 HR are nice, and that there aren't many other good options, but is there any real evidence that Frazier projects as a competent cleanup hitter? I sure hope that Bruce gets a tryout there before Todd moves in... this LH-RH-LH stubborness is driving me nuts.
    Clearly the answer is 'no'. But given that we know dusty won't hit Bruce cleanup, it's a question of who's the best option among our current RH bats. And right now, I'd take him over Phillips, Stubbs, Heisey, etc.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Before this game no one was talking about Frazier other than to suggest that Walt was still sitting on his hands about the third base problem.

    His SL % was .487 before the 2 HR's, and his OPS was below .800.

    If the argument could have been made before this game, it certainly never was. If fact, many suggested that other than his PH appearances, he'd hit virtually nothing as a regular.
    I think you're painting with too broad a brush about what others have perceived Frazier here on this board. Now, I agree that I'm not sure he's been mentioned as a cleanup hitter, but we all have agreed the Reds don't have a true cleanup hitter, especially if they're committed to splitting up the lefties. With that said, before tonight Frazier would have made as much sense as anyone.
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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    The power (potential) is clearly there. That 2nd home run was an absolute bomb.

    Can he maintain it though? Never had a season in the minors where he hit 20 home runs, but he's been over 15 several times, including his stints at AAA.

    I don't know if he's truly a better option than Phillips, seeing as Brandon has averaged around 20 home runs each year at the Show since 2006, but maybe.

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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Simple. Yes.

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    Re: Todd Frazier: Cleanup Hitter?

    Frazier is a better candidate to hit 4th than Phillips is, but I think he should have to slowly earn his way up in the batting order.

    Mike Leake is batting .333 so maybe we could move him up in the lineup.

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