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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Joe Girardi post-game on Chapman: "Guy's got a live arm, glad we only had to face him for 1 inning."
    Originally Posted by nate
    Chapman can be downright pornographic at times.

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I bet he'd be fine. But I vote we stick with the guy who's had success instead of juggling guys and showing a vote of "no confidence" in Marshall. Giving other guys opportunities would be great, but I don't want to see a permanent switch. Going to a committee...fine. Demoting Sean...no.

    I think Dusty handled today perfectly IMO. As he's done multiple times IIRC. When a guy hasn't had it, he's yanked him. He didn't do that as often with Cordero.
    Only question I have is how many batters did he need to face before knowing Marshall didn't have it today?
    Originally Posted by nate
    Chapman can be downright pornographic at times.

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    I've also noticed that Chapman throws a lot of pitches as does Marshall. Has to make both weary.
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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    You're seeing why having Dusty Baker shouldn't manage. Costanza shouldn't be playing, you don't sacrifice bunt with two on nobody out when you're winning....

    And you don't pay Chapman 8 million dilkars to do what the Nationals pay Tyler Clippard 2 million dollars to do.

    What a cluster....
    Chapman makes $2M this season, plus a $1.5m signing bonus,

    Regardless, he's only there because Bray is hurt.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    16 outings. 15 innings. 21/3 k/bb ratio. 24/15 gb/fb ratio. 2 poor outings out of 16. 8 save opportunities, 7 converted.

    And this is with him not pitching very well. Marshall will be fine.

    The way I look at it is this...if we move Chapman into the closer role...it's going to be VERY difficult to move him OUT of the closer role. I want to see him start. As I'm sure most Reds fans do. Leaving him out of that role allows him to pitch the 7th & 8th, the 8th & 9th. If he's the "closer", we know how he'll be used...9th only, sometimes only PART of the 9th. He's never been good on going back to back days, and certainly not 3 days in a row. I know he's been virtually unhittable, but there ARE reasons to not put him in that role. Valid ones. And hardly "dumb" ones.
    I think those stats are false. Marshall has not converted 7 of 8 save opportunities in the real world sense. He has come in for a save in the ninth a few times and has been bailed out by another pitcher, ala today.

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I think those stats are false. Marshall has not converted 7 of 8 save opportunities in the real world sense. He has come in for a save in the ninth a few times and has been bailed out by another pitcher, ala today.
    I'm not sure how they could be false. But we're also assuming that had Marshall been left in that he WOULDN'T have gotten out of it himself. And on those occasions when another guy came in to "bail him out" he hasn't gotten a save or the save opportunity, right?

    My point is that it doesn't matter what inning a pitcher throws poorly. If he gave up 2 runs in the 7th inning instead, people would be complaining. If Chapman had come in for the 9th and issued 2 walks people would be complaining. The only way to satisfy people is to go 1-2-3 with 3 strikeouts it seems. I don't see too many guys out there with 0.00 era's over the course of a season.

    I'm not trying to say he's not struggling. He is. He's leaving his fastballs up in the middle of the plate. But 15 innings is pretty quick to say he's ill-suited for the closer role IMO. Especially when his numbers really aren't bad at all (outside of era).
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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    And don't get me wrong, I like Marshall but that 7 of 8 figure jumped out at me like a sore thumb.

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

    Reds 100-Home Run Club
    1. Johnny Bench - 389
    2. Frank Robinson - 324
    3. Tony Perez - 287
    4. Adam Dunn - 270
    5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
    6. George Foster - 244
    7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
    8. Eric Davis - 203
    9. Barry Larkin - 198
    10. Vada Pinson - 186
    11. Wally Post - 172
    12. Gus Bell - 160
    13. Joe Morgan - 152
    13. Pete Rose - 152
    15. Lee May - 147
    16. Dan Driessen - 133
    17. Brandon Phillips - 126
    17. Joey Votto - 126
    19. Reggie Sanders - 125
    20. Ernie Lombardi - 120
    21. Sean Casey - 118
    22. Frank McCormick - 110
    22. Jay Bruce - 110
    24. Dave Parker - 107
    25. Chris Sabo - 104
    26. Dave Concepcion - 101
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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Semi-related question:

    Who's the next starter should we lose one?
    2014 Reds record: 1-2

    I look like a banker in this...

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Marshall is a set-up guy, not a closer.
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by elfmanvt07 View Post
    Semi-related question:

    Who's the next starter should we lose one?
    Jeff Francis. I'd imagine Tomko would be after that.

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Marshall is a set-up guy, not a closer.
    Arredondo is a set-up guy, not a closer.
    Ondrusek is a set-up guy, not a closer.
    Chapman is a set-up guy, not a closer.
    Bray is a set-up guy, not a closer.
    Masset is a set-up guy, not a closer.

    At least they all are until they get a shot at closing.

    7 of 8 saves converted.
    Highest groundball rate on the staff (with a gold glove defense behind him)
    Highest k/bb rate on the staff.
    2nd on staff k/9 (3 behind chapman)

    And that's him "struggling".
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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

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    Semi-related question:

    Who's the next starter should we lose one?
    Jeff Francis. I'd imagine Tomko would be after that.
    We'd better keep track of our starters, then. Don't let them wander away by themselves at the airport. Maybe even make them wear a tracking device.

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    Re: 5/19/12 - Reds at Yankees

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