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    Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    It was said when Rick Sweet was "fired", and made a "Roaving Catcher's Coach", that it was done for two possible reasons:

    1. To get David Bell's feet wet at the next level (AAA...and, this one I can't figure out as David Bell can't seem to motivate water to run downhill...his putrid record at AA is now exceeded by his even more putrid record at AAA). David Bell is going to be the next REDS' Manager.

    2. Rick Sweet is going to be given a year off to look over the entire organization, so that he can help even more with the overall operation of things. As Louisville's all-time winningest Manager, having never had a losing season, along with three straight Division Crowns, 2008-2010, he's earned his dues to become a Manager of some Major League Ballclub, if not having been promised the REDS' job in 2013. Why else would you allow your bosses to "disrespect you", and disrespect it is for taking away your job you've been more successful at than anyone in it's history in order to give it to a Manager who has had nothing but bad season after bad season at the AA level, unless you were promised the Manager's gig the following year? At 60 years old, you're not getting any younger and it's time for you to go for it and get a Major League Managerial job. Do you really stick around for some made-up position after being so good at what you do when any number of clubs would be highly interested in your services as either a Manager-in-waiting (Hitting Coach, 3rd-Base Coach, etc.), or as a Manager? Of course not. But, then with a man like Bill Bavasi handling things, anything is always possible. Nobody can screw up an organization like Bavasi can. He's easily the most dangerous person (he makes Baker look like Sparky Anderson) in the organization. Since Bavasi joined the organization, the overall quality of the Minor League system has gone downhill, and will continue to do so until this guy leaves. (We're now down to #16, where we had been Top-10 http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...2/2613155.html ... Much of that can be contributed to the trades for Marshall and Latos. This ranking, though, included Mesoraco, Frazier, and Cozart in it. So, the "depth" has deteriorated quite a bit.) Bavasi, in a few short seasons, destroyed a great franchise in the Mariners. Look at how his other franchises have rebounded after he's been gone for five+ years, also.....anyway, back to, "Who's Managing the REDS in 2013?"

    I can only hope that Rick Sweet is Managing. Nobody knows this current group of REDS better than he does, along with the fact that the guy just gets his players to win games.

    3. Can Baker save his job, and if so, what will it take? I wouldn't be surprised that it's a foregone conclusion he's gone, even if he wins the World Series. Anything other than a Division Title is failure, without a doubt, as he's been given the talent to win around here. It took decisions that he didn't make (Scott Rolen going to the DL, and Willie Harris getting dumped, and Aroldis Chapman becoming the Closer) for this team to "excel", instead of treading water, which is the norm for any Dusty Baker led team, as his propensity to play Veterans, no matter how horrible they are and how many games they cost the team, and no matter how quickly they can turn a promising season into a disaster (pick your season), while stifling promising, young players' growth (pick your player) so that they can be more productive in future seasons.

    If Baker wins the Division, does he save his job?

    If Baker gets to the National League Championship Series, does he save his job? If he wins it, does he?

    If he wins the World Series does he save his job?

    I believe anything short of winning the World Series, Baker loses his job and Rick Sweet is the next Manager.

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    Baker is closer to an extension than he is a pink slip. And that, IMO, is a good thing for the Reds.

    When it's done, the collective stroke that the Dusty bashers will have will be priceless.

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    If he wins the World Series does he save his job?
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    Make it stop.

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    I think Baker has to do more than just win the Division Title. I think he has to win a playoff series. With the talent on this team a First Round Playoff exit is an underachievement IMO. But what Bob Castellini thinks is the only thing that matters in the end.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    Make it stop.
    Tony LaRussa won the World Series last year and he isn't managing in 2012.
    Actually, there is precedent here. In 2002 Dusty took the Giants to the World Series and lost. They let him go.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Who Dey Time View Post
    Baker is closer to an extension than he is a pink slip. And that, IMO, is a good thing for the Reds.

    When it's done, the collective stroke that the Dusty bashers will have will be priceless.
    I can't believe anybody can think that Baker is a good Manager. But, then Hitler, Marx and Lenin had their followers, too.

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    As much sense as Bell or Sweet would make, I see one answer even more logical than either of them, Jim Riggleman. He has major league managing experince and was winning with the Nationals last season until he resigned because they wouldn't extend him. So unless they were going to have a big league job lined up because they agreed to sign on as a minor league manager why would an esatblished big league manager take a minor league job? My personal choice though would be someone off of the Mike Soscia coaching tree or Terry Francona.

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    I can't believe anybody can think that Baker is a good Manager. But, then Hitler, Marx and Lenin had their followers, too.
    I agree, this team wins in spite of Baker because of all the talent they have. Baker never won anything with those loaded Giants or Cubs teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    I can't believe anybody can think that Baker is a good Manager. But, then Hitler, Marx and Lenin had their followers, too.
    So supporting the current manager, with good reason, is akin to supporting Nazi's and/or socialists?

    Sound argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maker_84 View Post
    I agree, this team wins in spite of Baker because of all the talent they have. Baker never won anything with those loaded Giants or Cubs teams.
    You mean all the talent that you bash and criticize in virtually every game thread? Is that the overwhelming talent that you are referring to?

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    It's comical all the Dusty bashing. He's a good baseball man. He's the only guy to take the Reds to the playoffs in 15 years. It amazes me how much crap he takes.

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    I personaly don't think baker will be back either way next season win or lose. If they manage to win he'll go out on top and retire like Larussa did last year. If they lose his contract isn't renewed and the reds go another direction. One other name i have heard as a canidate to manage other teams never the reds is their own pitching coach Bryan Price. My personal thought is pitching coaches and pitchers generally don't make great managers but thats just me and bud black is my exception to that rule.

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    Quote Originally Posted by xsteve1 View Post
    It's comical all the Dusty bashing. He's a good baseball man. He's the only guy to take the Reds to the playoffs in 15 years. It amazes me how much crap he takes.
    What other manager in the last 15 years has hung up a different line up card in the locker room than he gave to the umps and sends out a guy who can't hit a freight train if he were tied to the tracks every day for an entire year when he has other viable options?

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

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    Re: Who's going to manage the REDS next season?

    Unless this team falls flat, which I just don't see happening, Dusty will be back unless he decides it's time to step away and retire.


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