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    Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    Frazier may stick as a starting 3B for the Reds. Nevertheless, excluding Frazier (because he's already in the bigs), who is the Reds' top 3B prospect in the relatively near term. Is it Vidal or Rodriguez - or is it someone else? What are the pros and cons of Vidal and Rodriguez that make you think it's one over the other?

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    I like both guys, but don't really love either of them.

    Vidal can play there defensively, I have no questions about that. He has some pop in his bat, probably could be a 20 HR guy at the Major League level. I am just not entirely sold on his bat translating fully. I want to see some more against higher levels of competition.

    With Rodriguez, I think his bat could play there, although in an unconventional manner. I think he could be more like a .300/.350/.425 hitter at third base with say 10-15 home runs. His defense isn't as good as that of Vidal, though I haven't seen anything from him this year that suggests he would hurt you there either. My main concern is that he isn't a prototypical 3B and that could lead to him being pigeonholed as a utility guy because of it.

    Either way though, they aren't the types of guys that should stop you from looking for an upgrade at the position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I like both guys, but don't really love either of them.

    Vidal can play there defensively, I have no questions about that. He has some pop in his bat, probably could be a 20 HR guy at the Major League level. I am just not entirely sold on his bat translating fully. I want to see some more against higher levels of competition.

    With Rodriguez, I think his bat could play there, although in an unconventional manner. I think he could be more like a .300/.350/.425 hitter at third base with say 10-15 home runs. His defense isn't as good as that of Vidal, though I haven't seen anything from him this year that suggests he would hurt you there either. My main concern is that he isn't a prototypical 3B and that could lead to him being pigeonholed as a utility guy because of it.

    Either way though, they aren't the types of guys that should stop you from looking for an upgrade at the position.
    Well, dang. . . . couldn't you just shade the truth a little and tell us that they're both can't miss prospects? Seriously, though, thanks for that information. I haven't seen their prospects for 3B at the bigs stated so clearly before.

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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I like both guys, but don't really love either of them.

    Vidal can play there defensively, I have no questions about that. He has some pop in his bat, probably could be a 20 HR guy at the Major League level. I am just not entirely sold on his bat translating fully. I want to see some more against higher levels of competition.

    With Rodriguez, I think his bat could play there, although in an unconventional manner. I think he could be more like a .300/.350/.425 hitter at third base with say 10-15 home runs. His defense isn't as good as that of Vidal, though I haven't seen anything from him this year that suggests he would hurt you there either. My main concern is that he isn't a prototypical 3B and that could lead to him being pigeonholed as a utility guy because of it.

    Either way though, they aren't the types of guys that should stop you from looking for an upgrade at the position.
    Those descriptions sound like Kevin Kouzmanoff and Martin Prado to me -- upside of course.
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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    With Rodriguez, I think his bat could play there, although in an unconventional manner. I think he could be more like a .300/.350/.425 hitter at third base with say 10-15 home runs. His defense isn't as good as that of Vidal, though I haven't seen anything from him this year that suggests he would hurt you there either. My main concern is that he isn't a prototypical 3B and that could lead to him being pigeonholed as a utility guy because of it.
    This season, a 775 OPS would rank Henry Rodriguez seventh among all major league 3B. Assuming league average defense, that's got quite a bit of value. Add in that it's obp-heavy, and his wOBA would rank close to the top five.

    Rodriguez would be an ideal #2 hitter in the Red lineup. He's a switch-hitter that has little in the way of splits. He's also shown the propensity to hit for power (though that hasn't shown much on the field). A career year of 25 homers wouldn't surprise me; 35 - 40 doubles per year wouldn't either. More importantly, his K rate isn't bad and he's earned a career BA north of 310.

    He's also young-- 22 in AA. That may translate into more power as he fills out and begins to play against guys his own age.

    Rodriguez is an underrated prospect, IMO, who profiles as a plus 2B or 3B in the major leagues, all things considered. His ceiling is that of an All Star level producer, and his floor is a positive contributor as a utility guy.

    I'm guessing, after injury, Rodriguez will need some time in AA to get his bearings. (The hand injury may sap some power as well.) It wouldn't shock me to see Cincinnati move him up to Louisville at the end of the season, as neither team looks likely to make the playoffs.

    That 10 - 20 game AAA cup of coffee may allow the Reds to start the major league season with Todd Frazier as 3B starter, and, if he struggles, to move Rodriguez there in May or June.

    This depends largely on how Frazier adapts to playing 3B now-- he looks like his power is legitimate, but the strike outs are high. If the Reds think he's more Jay Bruce than Chris Heisey, Ridriguez can settle into the utility role Miguel Cairo now inhabits. Which wouldn't be all bad, certainly. (Though it may stunt his growth as a prospect.)

    If Frazier can't find the strike zone moving forward, Rodriguez would be a natural choice to replace him. (With Vidal now playing AA 3B and almost as good a prospect, Rodriguez has a small window to be viewed as starter material.) As stated earlier, his bat makes the entire lineup better. It's part of what the Reds need-- a guy with a good stick who doesn't K too much.
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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

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    If Frazier can't find the strike zone moving forward, Rodriguez would be a natural choice to replace him. (With Vidal now playing AA 3B and almost as good a prospect, Rodriguez has a small window to be viewed as starter material.) As stated earlier, his bat makes the entire lineup better. It's part of what the Reds need-- a guy with a good stick who doesn't K too much.
    I think you're right on here. I like Frazier, but man this lineup is becoming flooded with 6-7 hole hitters. Two of which are being miscast at the top of the order. If Rodriguez becomes a guy that can get on base at a .340+ clip, that's filling a huge void in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    I think you're right on here. I like Frazier, but man this lineup is becoming flooded with 6-7 hole hitters. Two of which are being miscast at the top of the order. If Rodriguez becomes a guy that can get on base at a .340+ clip, that's filling a huge void in the lineup.
    Not to mention, I think we're seeing the beginning of the end of the 3rd base problem, at least as a serious problem. With Frazier just now starting to get his chance, and Henry coming soon, and then Vidal right behind him, there should be an answer there. Love to see Todd answer the call but his contact rate does worry me. His glove doesn't, though he gets razzed in the 'Zone for it. I just think if he gets set on third and allowed to play there full time he'll be fine with regular play. It's only the bat that concerns me. with Rodriguez its the other way around - I'm pretty sure his bat will play if Todd falters. And Vidal is a third last option arriving right after both. Nice to see some redundancy. I don't see star power at third but there is nice solid everyday player type prospects there.

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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    There is also Gabriel Rosa {18} (Rookie League), Sean Buckley {21} (Dayton), Junior Arias {19} (Rookie League) based on the top 25 prospect rankings on www.redsminorleagues.com

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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    That is true, and the reds haven't had a really good 3B prospect in a long time

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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    I could see HRod playing 3B and hitting at the top of the order. I'd want to add a big bat in LF though.

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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    I never really cared about the "prototypical" third baseman or any other position. Pete wasn't exactly the prototypical player for 3rd OR left - it depends on whether the team has
    bats in other spots. I'd like to see Rodriguez, and view him slightly more favorably than Vidal just because I think he's a better overall hitter even if his power doesn't shout third baseman. I know that carries weight though in baseball circles because you can "hide" slower bigger body types at third and that usually translates into power. It creates a position for the guys who outgrow shortstop for instance, but I really wish they'd just concentrate on the best pure hitter who plays the spot defensively whether he's a guy who slaps hits and has gap power or is a slugger.

    Anyway that aside, Doug, has there been anymore rumbling this year about Henry's attitude? I know in the past there were some.

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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    double post

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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    After the June draft I hope we have a new top 3b prospect. Hopefully a college guy like Roache, Shaffer, Piscotty or the top tier college 3b on the MLB boards.
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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    After the June draft I hope we have a new top 3b prospect. Hopefully a college guy like Roache, Shaffer, Piscotty or the top tier college 3b on the MLB boards.
    Agreed, but I doubt Roache can play 3B at the professional level. He's really a 1B or LF. Would love to see the Reds get him in the sandwich round. Could be a LF cleanup hitter for years to come.
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    Re: Who's the Reds' top 3B prospect?

    Most mocks i've seen have the reds going with the SS out of Arizona State or a College pitcher here are a couple links
    http://mlbdraftinsider.com/2012/05/the-mock-volume-vii/
    http://mlb.mlb.com//news/article.jsp...s_mlb&c_id=mlb


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