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    Re: Something brewing in NY

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    It was a terrible call.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    So that no-no gets an asterisk on a blown call. Is it just me or is the no hitter becoming more common? Seems like it happens more often these days.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    So that no-no gets an asterisk on a blown call. Is it just me or is the no hitter becoming more common? Seems like it happens more often these days.
    It's not nearly as special as it once was. And it's nowhere near what the cycle is. How many cycles have there been in the last 20 years? We've already had three no-no's this season and the kids aren't even out of school yet.

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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Naw. No hitters seem to go in cycles.

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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    It's not nearly as special as it once was. And it's nowhere near what the cycle is. How many cycles have there been in the last 20 years? We've already had three no-no's this season and the kids aren't even out of school yet.
    Cycles may be rare but they are not nearly as awesome a display of skill as a no-hitter is in my opinion.

    There have been 293 cycles and 275 no-hitters in MLB history.

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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Go back and look at all the no hitters from 1988 to 1992. Seemed like everyone was getting them back then.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    That was the first no-hitter/perfect game in the National League since Halladay's vs. us in 2010.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGullett35 View Post
    That was the first no-hitter/perfect game in the National League since Halladay's vs. us in 2010.
    ...and I think I read that this is the first time the Cards have been no-hit since 1990.

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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    It's not nearly as special as it once was. And it's nowhere near what the cycle is. How many cycles have there been in the last 20 years? We've already had three no-no's this season and the kids aren't even out of school yet.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

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    ...and I think I read that this is the first time the Cards have been no-hit since 1990.
    Yep. Fernando Valenzuela no hit us that day.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    Yep. Fernando Valenzuela no hit us that day.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Another case for replay. I don't how that umpire could miss that. There was even an indentation in the line. If you had replay the Mets would still be looking fro their first no hitter. Also everyone else was saying the Padres do not have a no hitter to their credit. Maybe everyone else was wrong and they do have one.
    Oh well congrats to Santana. It was still kinda spine tingling to watch.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    Another case for replay. I don't how that umpire could miss that. There was even an indentation in the line. If you had replay the Mets would still be looking fro their first no hitter. Also everyone else was saying the Padres do not have a no hitter to their credit. Maybe everyone else was wrong and they do have one.
    Oh well congrats to Santana. It was still kinda spine tingling to watch.
    It was interesting to me. I'm not a fan of excessive replay, not generally afraid of the occasional rare error. But I have to say it wasn't until the 4th replay that I saw anything that looked like it hit the line (and that final one seemed fairly definitive). And, of course, those are all slow motion replays (yes, I know that speaks to allowing replays), but frankly it's pretty amazing how often calls are correct on lightning fast action. Missed calls are part of the game and have been since it's beginning. Games are long enough without running off to the booth to get it absolutely, perfectly right.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    It was interesting to me. I'm not a fan of excessive replay, not generally afraid of the occasional rare error. But I have to say it wasn't until the 4th replay that I saw anything that looked like it hit the line (and that final one seemed fairly definitive). And, of course, those are all slow motion replays (yes, I know that speaks to allowing replays), but frankly it's pretty amazing how often calls are correct on lightning fast action. Missed calls are part of the game and have been since it's beginning. Games are long enough without running off to the booth to get it absolutely, perfectly right.
    I agree 98% calls are correct. They do a very good job overall. But I like seeing the calls be correct and if you have the technology to correct them why not use it? Just because its always been part of the game doesn't mean its the right way to do things. Up until recent years you didn't have the proper technology to reverse any or very many calls. Now you do. Also it wouldn't take very little time to look at one these on replay. Just have a replay umpire in the booth like collge football does. He could buzz down to the crew chief that they are reveiwing. Then call him back with the result. Most times these things have long arguments that take longer than a review would. I guess we would miss the entertainment of the argument. No more Sweet Lou base throwing or Earl Waever antics. But I can live without that.
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    Re: Something brewing in NY

    Johan Santana got bad news today. Tore something in his shoulder. Again. He threw 134 pitches in his no hitter. He pitched in 10 games after that before heading to the DL. His ERA was over 8.00 in those 10 games.

    Fangarphs has up an article today on Santana and has this interesting note in it though:

    Looking back, Santana was probably never long for this world. As Jeff Zimmerman has noted time and again, previous injuries are the best predictor of future injuries, and coming into 2012 Santana had plenty of previous injuries. But using Jeff’s Pitcher Inconsistency Tool (see explanation at the bottom of this article), we can see that Santana’s Zone % was off all year, but that his inconsistency especially spiked not in his no-hitter on June 1, but in his eight-inning shutout effort five starts later on June 30. Jeff estimates that in his last 10 fastballs on that day, his velocity had a 5 mph range, and that — assuming his foot was the same spot on the rubber — his release point varied by half a foot both horizontally and vertically. In his subsequent five starts, Santana would allow 33 runs in 19 innings. They will likely be the final 19 innings of his career. There’s a lesson here, and that it’s not wise to be slavish to pitch counts. Santana only tossed 107 pitches on June 30, well within the normally accepted range of pitches for a starter these days. But on that day it was clearly too many. Perhaps it was only a matter of time, but with better in-game management from Terry Collins and his staff, I might not be writing this article today.


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