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    [AtiQUOTE=IslandRed;2620598]I think it's important to not lump in "conservative" with "dirty/cynical," though.[/QUOTE]

    In soccer, I think "negative" refers more to the gamesmanship that goes on with the diving, the cynical fouls, and the baiting of the other team to get players sent off. It involves trying to gain an advantage using dirty tricks. While the Italian "catenaccio" style is often associated with it, they come from two different sources. I believe the catenaccio was actually originated by the Swiss as a means for a weaker team to hold on against a stronger team, not unlike what we in the US call bunkering. Italian teams started adopting it and it spread like wildfire in the Italian pro ranks. The real negative play gained prominence in Argentina in the late 60s-early 70s, where matches became bloody affairs reflecting the political strife, and was called "antifutbol." With the Italians' penchant for importing Argentinians of Italian descent, it became the ideal place for synthesis between the two styles.

    In the NFL, I would liken the negative play of the Dutch to the dirty play exhibited by the Raiders in their heyday and the Steelers of today.
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    And Euro 2012 opens with a 1-1 draw between Poland and Greece, each playing with 10 men on a card happy Spanish ref. This guy gave out 16 reds in 19 La Liga matches. I imagine if this guy had worked the 2010 World Cup Final, they would have finished with a 8v8 match (which in that case wouldn't have been bad). Some of the cards given were pretty cheap. There needs to be balance between maintaining control and inserting yourself in the game.
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    The Russians are looking strong against the Czechs. 4-1 with 6 minutes to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    The Russians are looking strong against the Czechs. 4-1 with 6 minutes to go.
    Sounds like Christiano Arshavin had a nice game.

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    The biggest difference between playing 10 behind the ball and doing what the Dutch did is that there are rules and consequences (or at least supposed to be) against playing dirty. The Dutch should have been punished in the game for their tactics. The refs have that capacity. There is nothing anyone can do if Mourinho decides to "Park the Bus" to recover the game from its unwatchable depths. As much as I love the beautiful game, when a team decides to go 2004 Greece it becomes a miserable experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    The biggest difference between playing 10 behind the ball and doing what the Dutch did is that there are rules and consequences (or at least supposed to be) against playing dirty. The Dutch should have been punished in the game for their tactics. The refs have that capacity. There is nothing anyone can do if Mourinho decides to "Park the Bus" to recover the game from its unwatchable depths. As much as I love the beautiful game, when a team decides to go 2004 Greece it becomes a miserable experience.
    The crazy thing is, the Dutch don't really play 10 behind the ball either. They were just plain dirty. They have a wealth of scoring threats. Van Persie, Huntelaar, Sneijder, Kuyt, and Robben (when he stays on his feet) are all goal scorers. They could play a clean, attack-oriented game if they wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    The crazy thing is, the Dutch don't really play 10 behind the ball either. They were just plain dirty. They have a wealth of scoring threats. Van Persie, Huntelaar, Sneijder, Kuyt, and Robben (when he stays on his feet) are all goal scorers. They could play a clean, attack-oriented game if they wish.
    I must have written it poorly, because that is what I was trying to say. It was a real shame that the refs didn't red card De Jong. It would have forced the Dutch to change things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    The Russians are looking strong against the Czechs. 4-1 with 6 minutes to go.
    I was at the Russia/Cameroon game in WC 94 when the Russian guy scored 5 goals... Dominating is a weak word for that day

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    We have a major international soccer event and once again the ref becomes the story- in the very first game. He was atrocious. The first yellow to Greece was barely a foul, and the second probably wasn't a foul at all. Anyhow, I'm not sure what happened to Poland, but they looked great until they scored their goal. They seemed to play scared the rest of the game, even when they were up a man.

    I couldn't believe the ineptitude of the Czech defense. It was like watching the US in the last worlds cup. I actually thought Czech looked good in the early going of th game but left themselves way too exposed on the counterattacks. But Russia did look really good.
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    The first shocker! Denmark beats the Dutch 1-0. I think this puts pressure on everyone else in the group.
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    Wow huge upset there. Going to take a huge effort for the Dutch to even get out of the group.

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    Sometimes, the weakest team in the group of deat advances. Crazy things happen in group play.
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    I was impressed with the Danes. The Dutch were very sloppy in their attacks, especially finishing. They wasted several great scoring opportunities just by sloppy touches.

    I'm curious how they go about putting the groups together. Having Germany, Holland, and Portugal in the same group doesn't make sense to me.
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    And Germany gets past Portugal 1-0.
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    Just saw the Dutch coach complaining about the no call on the handball. When did Tony LaRussa become the coach for the Netherlands. I thought it was inadvertant. Maybe he should worry about his team making 28 shots and not getting any in. The Danes made some great saves, but a lot of those shots just plain missed the mark.

    Got to watch the first half and the end of the Germany-Portugal game. Neither team looked awe inspiring. I think the group is still wide open even with two teams getting 3 points.
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