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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

    I still think the best target is Shin-Soo Choo.
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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    If I can have either 3.5 years of Justin Upton or the future of Corcino, Cingrani and Hamilton, please, send me the Upton deal every single time. Do you have any other proven superstar players you'd like to swap for three unproven low level minor league stars?
    I'd agree with you, but I'm saying Justin Upton doesn't look like a SuperStar right now, through 212 plate appearances he looks weaker than Ryan Ludwick. So I don't do the deal.

    I suppose you'll argue the other 2000 plate appearances justify it. They probably do, but are we trying to fix LF now or through 2015/16?
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    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    I'd agree with you, but I'm saying Justin Upton doesn't look like a SuperStar right now, through 212 plate appearances he looks weaker than Ryan Ludwick. So I don't do the deal.

    I suppose you'll argue the other 2000 plate appearances justify it. They probably do, but are we trying to fix LF now or through 2015/16?
    I'm confused, you are saying you like the tradeoff for 2013-2015, yet you're unsure about 2012? Doesn't Justin Upton add more to the Reds in 2012 than Hamilton and/or Corcino?
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    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    If were talking about 2012, I'm not being sarcastic. He may not help a ton this year. His value through 2016 is what you'd be banking on. And that is a good bet. But this year, bleh.
    Luckily, we get his performance for the rest of the year, not what's he's done so far. He season to date is only relevant to the degree it helps us project the rest of his season. And unless unless he's still injured, I don't see reason to expect him to continue to underperform his career levels so drastically.

    ZiPS, for example expects a .275/.361/.480 line the rest of the way (2.6 WAR).
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I still think the best target is Shin-Soo Choo.

    It's a shame the Indians are contending though. That makes it harder for them to even talk about it. They are pretty thin in the OF, IIRC.
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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    I'm confused, you are saying you like the tradeoff for 2013-2015, yet you're unsure about 2012? Doesn't Justin Upton add more to the Reds in 2012 than Hamilton and/or Corcino?
    Of course he would offer more 2012 value than those two. But does he offer more than Ludwick?

    What if we can get Quinten for less prospects? LF's fix for 2015 doesn't concern me now. Getting to the WS concerns me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    I'd be STRONGLY against that move. I love the fact that we've built a team of high-character guys...this would quickly negate that IMO.
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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

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    Of course he would offer more 2012 value than those two. But does he offer more than Ludwick?

    What if we can get Quinten for less prospects? LF's fix for 2015 doesn't concern me now. Getting to the WS concerns me.
    You are seriously questioning whether Justin Upton will offer more than Ryan Ludwick the rest of this season?

    Getting to the WS in 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 concerns me. Is a potential dynasty worth top prospects? I think so.
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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    You are seriously questioning whether Justin Upton will offer more than Ryan Ludwick the rest of this season?

    Getting to the WS in 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 concerns me. Is a potential dynasty worth top prospects? I think so.
    Yup, seriously questioning that. Something (wrist) is wrong with Upton and he's sat out the last two games, probably because he's TO'd at Management, so he's feigning an injury, or who knows... but something is wrong.

    There's been very few dynasties in baseball history. And dynasties have to start somewhere. 2012 works for me.
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    I think we are stuck with the roster we have. dusty seems pleased with Ludwick and Heisey, hoping they will come around. I don't look for any trades unless someone makes an offer the Reds can't refuse.
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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

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    Yup, seriously questioning that. Something (wrist) is wrong with Upton and he's sat out the last two games, probably because he's TO'd at Management, so he's feigning an injury, or who knows... but something is wrong.

    There's been very few dynasties in baseball history. And dynasties have to start somewhere. 2012 works for me.
    Gibson is sitting him out just to clear his head. Upton will be fine. I'm not worried about him at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powersackers View Post
    Yup, seriously questioning that. Something (wrist) is wrong with Upton and he's sat out the last two games, probably because he's TO'd at Management, so he's feigning an injury, or who knows... but something is wrong.

    There's been very few dynasties in baseball history. And dynasties have to start somewhere. 2012 works for me.
    Actually he wants to play, Gibson wanted him to sit and get a clear head for a couple of games

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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

    Good thread with some good ideas. Probably coulda gone in the "Trade Targets" thread though.

    Upton
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    Choo

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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

    Would anyone here trade Cueto for Upton? Would the Diamondback even consider it?
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    Re: Three Bold Ideas to Fix LF

    Gibson is sitting Upton to clear his head.


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