Here's where she loses:
At no time, Handler says, did the students themselves get out of hand.
"The kids were angelic," she said.
Read more: http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_n...#ixzz1xLoH4iO4
So, I'm punishing kids for being "angelic".
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I get the feeling the school was in a no win situation. Throw out the parents and family and at best they go to the press about how they were wronged at their son's graduation. At worst, they refuse to leave, causing a bigger disruption and requiring them to be forceably removed. Have you ever dealt with parents of students? Most are pretty reasonable, but quite a few are parents in name only and blame every little problem facing their precious on the school. And if you appease these parents who fail to abide by the rules, you end up catching hell from the parents and students who did abide by the rules. There's no way you can please everyone.
Burn down the disco. Hang the blessed DJ. Because the music that he constantly plays, it says nothing to me about my life.
So, now we're getting cops in graduation to pull families out for making noise?
I thought explaining the policy beforehand and getting acknowlegement for the the involved parties seemed like a pretty good way to appeal to people's good nature and say "hey, we want to make this civil, can we all agree to be adults?". But apparently this is fascist behavior.
So how exactly are you supposed to handle this kind of situation?
Considering how many students these days aren't graduating, I would think a school would encourage parents to expresss their excitement at their child graduating.
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I suspect you haven't been to too many graduation ceremonies, and certainly haven't been there with elderly relatives. I went to a large high school, a large university, and law school, and have family members who have done the same. I also taught for a while and went through graduation ceremonies for my students every semester for 2 years. While the worst I have to deal with is falling asleep, long graduation ceremonies are taxing on elderly grandparents and family members with health issues (such as diabetics), especially when the venue for the ceremony relies on bleachers or folding chairs for their seating. And if it's outside on a hot day, people get dehydrated. Now imagine you've got a 600 student class and you let everyone clap and cheer as much as they want. You're now dragging out a 2 hour ceremony to 3-4 hours, a real test of endurance. Do you think school want to have an entire paramedics department stationed at the ready to deal with people passing out? Is it fair to make grandparents and family members with potential health problems stay at home because they can't handle a measly 4 hour graduation?
The reason schools want to keep the ceremonies moving along is because they know: a) a lot of people just can't handle sitting through a ceremony that goes beyond 2 hours, and b) those that can usually want to get the ceremony over with so that they can move on to the real celebration, the graduation party.
Instead of disrupting the ceremony and making the event worse for most of the people who attended, maybe people should start having parties to celebrate events like this. You could call it a "graduation party" and invite friends and family. Yes, I'm a little bitter since I didn't hear my name called at graduation thanks to the air horns from the family of the student named before me. I'm all for cheering people on, but once it reaches a certain level, it's disrespectful. I just hope someone alerted the family that the principal would be withholding diplomas to punish those who over-celebrate.
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I watched/listened to the video, and the cheering was loud, but it didn't appear excessive or that it was going on for a long time. Maybe I'm missing something.
We're going down to Nelsonville today for our daughter's graduation from Hocking College. I'm sure we'll get "entertained" with some antics from that minority that get a little more "exuberant" then the rest. I've seen it at two of my kid's HS graduations. It's no big deal IMO.
The parent signed it, but was the son required? But even if he did, he didn't violate the agreement according to the Superintendent. Don't see how. from a legal perspective, they can hold the kid responsible for the bad behavior of those he can't control, even if it's family members."In order for [the students whose families were disruptive] to graduate, to receive their diplomas, they are going to have to do some community service," Handler said...... "Parents did know all this information up front," she said. "They signed off saying I understand that this is what's going to happen."
"panic" only comes from having real expectations
In my daughter's graduation (Marlins Park), a few families went loud for a good 30 seconds (about three names, they were going fast). At one point it seemed like a competition, whose family could "outcheer" the previous one. I doubt much was heard on the field where the mike was, but any parents in the same area were not going to hear their kid's name called.
CONGRATULATIONS GAC Just one more to go now?We're going down to Nelsonville today for our daughter's graduation from Hocking College. I'm sure we'll get "entertained" with some antics from that minority that get a little more "exuberant" then the rest. I've seen it at two of my kid's HS graduations. It's no big deal IMO.
(Sorry, was that too much? )
As for the issue, it e was big enough a deal for some parents in the past for the school authorities to take issue and state a policy about. Someone complained and probably more than one person.
It's not only about the kid and the school authorities.
BTW, I hate that civility has to be enforced by a contract. But that's the way things are in the US nowadays.
I do remember the alternative, in Venezuela for example, don't bother complaining about your neighbor's loud party at 4 AM (despite that there are laws and ordinances prohibiting it). The cops won't come, they're probably at the party having a real good time. It's no big deal, I guess. You can always sleep some other day.
From that same site that brought the Diploma/Cheering story:
I think we can all get behind this young lady.
There was probably too much cheering at that graduation. She'll probably do the service if needed.
I'm with Roy and oneupper on this. There needs to be action taken against those people who never think about how their actions effect other people, who say we're going to do whatever we want regardless of whether it infringes on others. It's all about us. I'm guessing their tune would be a lot different if their kid's name wouldn't have been heard. I doubt they would have just said "it's ok, their baby was graduating so they had a right to celebrate. We didn't need to hear Anthony's name."
Yachtzee's point about length of graduation and who could and couldn't attend is very appropriate. If people think nothing should happen here, is it ok then for everyone to do the same? Or should those who don't hear the names of their family member just accept that as ok? Are you ok with not hearing your child's name at graduation.
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