In a crucial situation, I prefer just about anyone to Stubbs up there.
Career .639 OPS with RISP and .654 with runners on for Drew.
Heisey is only a tad better at .653 and .703.
Wilson Valdez is better in that regard. (.764 career RISP hitter).
Maybe its splitting hairs or choosing the rock/hard place. I'd take my chances with Heisey. But that's me and I don't think Dusty thinks that way.
Sure, Stubbs had a down year last season.
But this year, he's started 51 games.
36 of those games in the #2 hole with a 824 OPS.. especially with his speed and defense, that's a valuable player. Not I agree he was absysmal in the other 15 games that he did not bat #2..
He's a streaky player, like most of our guys, but I'm not willing to trade him for a rental LF that can't play defense that is only a marginal upgrade over what we have. I'm in no hurry at all to trade Stubbs.. The Reds would have to be bowled over for me to even consider it. Stubbs has solidified CF. Even if he's only an "average" CF.. Average CF are hard to find, and it's great not to have to trot a Corey Patterson out there. Heisey is a lesser player than Stubbs, IMO. Plus, it's useful to have both of them on the roster.
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To some extent, the Stubbs/Heisey debate revolves around other players at other positions.
The Reds have too few lefty hitters. The Reds lack true tablesetters. The Reds lack a true middle of the order RHH.
If the Reds were to add one or more of these types, Stubbs' hitting would matter less.
I find Drew difficult to watch, he misses so many pitches, his inability to foul them off. But if the Reds had a better balanced offense, Drew could hit seventh - or even second - and his offensive issues wouldn't have that much impact.
We're all looking for a big positive from CF offensively. Maybe we get the big positive from a different position and Drew would be adequate.
As for Heisey, he had a bad game last night so I'm not discussing him today.
I think a lot of Stubbs value is given to him from the park he plays in. His career home splits are way above his road.<br />And, really, he hasn't been a very good hitter anywhere as a professional. Career .765 OPS guy for his career in the minors.
Exactly, I just think he is what he is at this point. I'll be very surprised if he ever approaches his 2010 numbers again. He's not a bad player at all. With his speed and defense he's a useful starter who I think will have a lot of value on the market because of his skill set. I'm not bashing on Stubbs by any means, I just think he brings the Reds more value in a trade than he does actually on the field at this point. <br />
If he doesn't have the value I think he does on the trade market, I have no problem hanging on to him.
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One does have to wonder how long Rolen will be given? He hasn't had a hit since the 23rd. Will Dusty continue to stick with this vet?
Average is .184, OBP is .243, SLG is .322 (OPS .572) with 3 home runs.
Now, he has had only 125ish ABs this year, but still. Outside of a couple of games, he's looked dismal offensively. I was glad to at least see him at 7th in the lineup tonight, but really, he should be splitting time with Frazier at this point. Even though I prefer his glove any day of the week over Frazier's, I don't think Frazier has looked horrible at 3B. And as long as he keeps hitting, it's worth having him in the lineup.
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I just think it's way too soon to be making any judgements about Rolen.
"Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.
Rolen has value as a PH and late inning defensive replacement, but Frazier needs to be getting 90 percent of the PAs at 3B
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Without the late Rolen scratch, probably a 3-0 shutout for the Giants today. Also a nice pick by Frazier early in the game.
Frazier continues to impress which is the lone bright spot from today's painful result. Actually we have two, Ludwick continues to be more than adequate out in LF given the lack of other options for the time being.
Stubbs went 0 for San Francisco. (14 ABs). Anyone want to wager how he finishes the trip?
Drew has terrible away splits (.648 OPS lifetime). That's approaching Juan Castro territory.