Brandon Phillips......future Hall of Famer?

[RedsBaron]

He figures to climb this list over the next few years, but he's pretty far down there right now, as you indicate.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/le..._monitor.shtml

Bill James Hall of Fame Monitor has a score based upon a player's statistical accomplishments, all star selections, awards, post season appearances, etc. The average Hall of Famer has a score of 100. Brandon Phiilips has a score of 24.
If Phiilips was, say, age 25, a score of 24 wouldn't be that bad. At age 31 later this month, that is a score that says it is very unlikely he will make the HOF.
George Anderson posted Phillips's comparable players at age 30, his last full season, and noted that only Joe Gordon, with a comp score of 906, made the HOF. Jeff Kent had a comp score of 907 and may make the HOF, but Kent had just started racking up big numbers at that point in his career. For Phillips to make the HOF he will probably have to indeed put together another six seasons like his last six to have any chance, and it is unlikely that he will maintain that standard as he ages.

[RedsBaron]

Craig Biggio was probably one of the top eight or ten second basemen ever.
Here are the Hall of Fame Monitor score of five second basemen mentioned in this thread:
Roberto Alomar: 194
Craig Biggio: 169
Ryne Sandberg: 158
Lou Whitaker: 92
Brandon Phillips: 24

Hey I'm a Reds fan too but let's not get ridiculous.

[camisadelgolf]

Sandberg played when there were no other decent 2B in the league, and he played for a WGN audience. He doesn't win a single gold glove if he played ten years earlier, or now.

If he's in, so should Lou Whitker, Jeff Kent and Bobby Grich.

One of the most over rated players in the 80's, especially defensively, imo.

If you show me any data to say he's overrated, I bet I can come up with better data that shows you're wrong. Do Whitaker, Kent, and Grich belong in the Hall? Maybe, maybe not. But Brandon Phillips' accomplishments clearly put him a huge notch below all of them, and unless he's doing crazy things in his 40s--which he won't be--he deserves no chance for consideration.

[powersackers]

He figures to climb this list over the next few years, but he's pretty far down there right now, as you indicate.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/le..._monitor.shtml

Willy Tavares is at an 8!

[oneupper]

I always thought Grich should have gotten more consideration and that Whitaker should be in. Middle infielders didn't hit that much then (or do they now after the stetoid revolution).

Brandon will be in the Reds Hall of Fame.

What about Utley? Does he have a shot?

[757690]

If you show me any data to say he's overrated, I bet I can come up with better data that shows you're wrong. Do Whitaker, Kent, and Grich belong in the Hall? Maybe, maybe not. But Brandon Phillips' accomplishments clearly put him a huge notch below all of them, and unless he's doing crazy things in his 40s--which he won't be--he deserves no chance for consideration.

Data shamata. Over rated is about perception.

Put Sandberg on almost any other team that wasn't broadcasting its games nationally every day, and he'd be considered a very good ball player. But there were others just as good as him that have never even been considered for the Hall.

The Hall is all about Fame, maybe it should be, but that's what it is. it's not the Hall of the Best Players, it's the Hall of the Players the media loved the most, and Sandberg is a prime example.

[camisadelgolf]

Data shamata. Over rated is about perception.

Put Sandberg on almost any other team that wasn't broadcasting its games nationally every day, and he'd be considered a very good ball player. But there were others just as good as him that have never even been considered for the Hall.

The Hall is all about Fame, maybe it should be, but that's what it is. it's not the Hall of the Best Players, it's the Hall of the Players the media loved the most, and Sandberg is a prime example.

Who was just as good as him and never even considered for the Hall? And I'd be willing to bet that more famous players didn't make it to the Hall while less famous players did.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Who was just as good as him and never even considered for the Hall? And I'd be willing to bet that more famous players didn't make it to the Hall while less famous players did.

Lou Whitaker. If Sandberg is in then Whitaker should be in. Sandberg did not deserve to win all those gold gloves. He was an overrated defensive SS.

Whitaker with 2369 H, 244 HR, 1084 RBI, and an OPS+ of 117.
Sandberg with 2386 H 282 HR, 1061 RBI, and an OPS+ of 114.

[westofyou]

Whittaker was a nice player, Sandberg was a stud

[BuckeyeRedleg]

The numbers don't back that up.

[camisadelgolf]

Whitaker didn't get the credit he deserved, and if it were up to me, he'd be in the Hall of Fame. But I wouldn't say Ryne Sandberg didn't belong.

[757690]

Whittaker was a nice player, Sandberg was a stud

I rest my case. Both were nice players, one had a higher "Q" factor. Neither belong in the Hall.

[camisadelgolf]

I rest my case. Both were nice players, one had a higher "Q" factor. Neither belong in the Hall.

I'd argue that both belong, but at least we can agree that they belong together, wherever it is.

[757690]

Who was just as good as him and never even considered for the Hall? And I'd be willing to bet that more famous players didn't make it to the Hall while less famous players did.

I already did. Add Willie Randoph, just off the top of my head.

[westofyou]

I rest my case. Both were nice players, one had a higher "Q" factor. Neither belong in the Hall.

One racked up TB in an era that lacked power, both played in hitters parks and took advantage of it.

Sandberg was a lot like Dale Murphy with a very high peak and a declining end