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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Tony Gwynn hit .475 in August of '94. Granted, it was only like 10 games, and then the strike hit. Rod Carew hit .486 in June of '77, 54-111. He began that month with a 1-3 and ended it with a 2-5, so, he has a 51-103 streak in there. He hit 8 triples that month. That seems like a lot.

    He also started the 1983 season 48-96 (though, he was under .400 for part of that stretch). And, he didn't quite show Votto's power. :-)
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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Frank Robinson had a 3-year stretch of leading the league in OPS each year, competing against in their prime Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. Just as a hitter, I think that's the standard Joey is up against. Morgan added gg defense at 2nd base and stole bases like few ever could. He had a 12.0 WAR one season, which is one of the 10 highest in baseball since integration (maybe since 1901).

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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegsToday View Post
    Tony Gwynn hit .475 in August of '94. Granted, it was only like 10 games, and then the strike hit. Rod Carew hit .486 in June of '77, 54-111. He began that month with a 1-3 and ended it with a 2-5, so, he has a 51-103 streak in there. He hit 8 triples that month. That seems like a lot.

    He also started the 1983 season 48-96 (though, he was under .400 for part of that stretch). And, he didn't quite show Votto's power. :-)
    What always amazed me about Tony Gwynn is his lack of strikeouts. He never struck out more than 40 times in a given year. That's amazing. The year he hit .394, he only struck out 19 times
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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    I just took a quick glance at a few guys:

    George Sisler hit .526 in June 1920.

    Ty Cobb hit .521 in July 1918. Splits are not available for Cobb prior to 1918, but my guess is he likely hit over .500 in a month at least one other time. IIRC, there may have been reports of him hitting nearly .500 well into the summer of 1911. He finished 1911 hitting .420 so it's certainly possible that he hit over .500 during one of those months.

    Rogers Hornsby hit .509 in August 1924.

    There may be a few others as well, but that's what a quick search turned up for me.

    George Brett almost did it, hitting .494 in July of 1980 (in only 21 games though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichRed View Post
    George Brett almost did it, hitting .494 in July of 1980 (in only 21 games though).
    Living in KC in my early child hood, he was my favorite player growing up. It was amazing to see Brett and Bo Jackson play together. Brett still remains one of my favorite players of all time.
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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

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    What always amazed me about Tony Gwynn is his lack of strikeouts. He never struck out more than 40 times in a given year. That's amazing. The year he hit .394, he only struck out 19 times
    What has amazed me has been those hitters who were able to hit more home runs in a season than they struck out.
    Ted Kluszewski had a four year run of doing that, 1953-56, when his HRs exceeded his strikeouts each season: 40/34, 49/35, 47/40 and 35/31.
    Joe DiMaggio had a five year run, 1937-41: 46/37, 32/21, 30/20, 31/30 and 30/13. That final year, 1941, was the year of his 56 game hitting streak. In 622 plate appearances, 541 official at bats, DiMaggio struck out 13 times, while hitting with power: 43 doubles, 11 triples and 30 home runs, to go with a .357 average. Amazing.
    In that same season Ted Williams hit .406 and his HRs exceeded his strikeouts, 37/27, but for most of his career Ted did strike out more often than he homered.
    In 1948 Stan Musial had his greatest season, hitting .376, and that year Stan had more HRs than Ks: 39/34.
    In Gwynn's strike shortened 1994, he had 12 HRs and 19 Ks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    What has amazed me has been those hitters who were able to hit more home runs in a season than they struck out.
    Ted Kluszewski had a four year run of doing that, 1953-56, when his HRs exceeded his strikeouts each season: 40/34, 49/35, 47/40 and 35/31.
    Joe DiMaggio had a five year run, 1937-41: 46/37, 32/21, 30/20, 31/30 and 30/13. That final year, 1941, was the year of his 56 game hitting streak. In 622 plate appearances, 541 official at bats, DiMaggio struck out 13 times, while hitting with power: 43 doubles, 11 triples and 30 home runs, to go with a .357 average. Amazing.
    In that same season Ted Williams hit .406 and his HRs exceeded his strikeouts, 37/27, but for most of his career Ted did strike out more often than he homered.
    In 1948 Stan Musial had his greatest season, hitting .376, and that year Stan had more HRs than Ks: 39/34.
    In Gwynn's strike shortened 1994, he had 12 HRs and 19 Ks.
    That's what always amazed me about Pujols watching him all those years here in St. Louis. He never struck out more than 100 times in a season (which seems to be almost common place in today's game). In fact, in his 2006 season, he hit 49 hr's and only struck out 50 times. That's amazing.
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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    What has amazed me has been those hitters who were able to hit more home runs in a season than they struck out.
    Ted Kluszewski had a four year run of doing that, 1953-56, when his HRs exceeded his strikeouts each season: 40/34, 49/35, 47/40 and 35/31.
    Joe DiMaggio had a five year run, 1937-41: 46/37, 32/21, 30/20, 31/30 and 30/13. That final year, 1941, was the year of his 56 game hitting streak. In 622 plate appearances, 541 official at bats, DiMaggio struck out 13 times, while hitting with power: 43 doubles, 11 triples and 30 home runs, to go with a .357 average. Amazing.
    In that same season Ted Williams hit .406 and his HRs exceeded his strikeouts, 37/27, but for most of his career Ted did strike out more often than he homered.
    In 1948 Stan Musial had his greatest season, hitting .376, and that year Stan had more HRs than Ks: 39/34.
    In Gwynn's strike shortened 1994, he had 12 HRs and 19 Ks.
    DiMaggio for his career struck out 369 times while homering 361 times.

    (that's my 2nd favorite stat of all time, with number one being 3016, which is the number of hits Aaron had if you take away every one of his home runs)
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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Todd Helton - .512 BA/.588 OBP/1.000 SLG, 11 HRs, 26 RBIs, 32 runs- May 2000

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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Quote Originally Posted by MasonBuzz3 View Post
    Todd Helton - .512 BA/.588 OBP/1.000 SLG, 11 HRs, 26 RBIs, 32 runs- May 2000
    Great find. He seems to get lost in the conversation of great players of his era. Looking at his home/road splits, while he has hit significantly better at Coors in his career, he's also hit well outside of Coors. .290 BA with a .390 OBP outside of Coors is nothing to be ashamed about.
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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    found a couple of more

    Ivan Rodriguez
    June 2004 -.500 (43-for-86)

    Roberto Alomar
    Sept. 1997 - .500 (35-for-70)

    Votto will end up with a ton more AB's than either of these two with 10 more games left in June

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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Those are great finds. Should have thought of Helton, considering he was on my fantasy team at the time and I can remember him hitting over .500 generally whenever he was at home.

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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    Comparing Joey and Helton, Todd hit .372/.463/.698, which is fairly similar to Joey's numbers right now. In 2000, playing in Coors field, that came out to only 163 OPS+. Joey is at 207 this year.

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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    checking the game logs, the Rockies played 15 games at home that month, only 8 on the road. So, an excellent hitter, playing in the greatest hitting environment ever created, in one of the best years for hitting in the past 100 years managed to hit .512 playing close to 65% of his games that month in that environment.

    If I counted this right, Helton was 31/55 at home that month and 11/27 on the road.

    Joey is 24-48 at home, 19-39 on the road. Obviously, he's getting a huge help from his home park. ;-)
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    Re: Can Joey Votto hit .500...

    June 2004 -.500 (43-for-86)
    If you take the 3 last games of May and the first game of July, Rodriguez hit 51-102!

    Masonbuzz, whatever made you think to check Ivan Rodriguez?

    I suppose that these long .500 hitting streaks are a little more frequent than I had thought.
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