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    Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Down here in Savannah it looks like the Gnats are going to get a new stadium right outside the historic district downtown.

    http://savannahnow.com/news/2012-06-...k#.T-TVbLVDu8A

    On this board we have talked about the Reds wanting to get the high A team back on the east coast. Also we know that the Carolina league wants to expand, with Columbia S.C. being mentioned and Fayetteville N.C. Currently the Gnats are affiliated with the Mets low A club..

    Anybody see an opening here????

    New stadium + great location ==== New Reds affilliate???

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    I'd love that. I've always wanted to go to Savannah. Would be even better if I could see guys like Stephenson or Travieso pitch and Tanner Rahier mash.
    Last edited by Benihana; 06-22-2012 at 05:22 PM.
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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Quote Originally Posted by bellhead View Post

    Anybody see an opening here????

    New stadium + great location ==== New Reds affilliate???
    No, because they already have a Low A franchise there makes it WAY WAY more unlikely that a High A team can come in.

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Highly unlikely. Team owners would have to purchase a high-A franchise, move it to Savannah, and then find another city to move their South Atlantic League team to (or sell it to someone in another city).

    The idea that the Carolina League is looking to expand is true, but a bit misleading. When and if it happens, owners of the two Carolina League expansion teams would likely have to purchase franchises from two current California League owners and relocate them to the Carolina League. They will not add franchises, just move them from the California League to the Carolina League.

    So for this to happen as you are hoping, the Sand Gnats owner would have to buy, say, the Bakersfield franchise. Then he would need to find a new home for the South Atlantic League franchise that he will still own. Lots to happen in concert. Highly, highly unlikely unless you had an owner that was super intent on making it happen and had another city available to take his South Atlantic League franchise. The last part would be the toughest.

    Oh, one more thing. It would have to be done in conjunction with another owner doing the same. They could not move one team over from the California League or you would have an odd number of teams and a scheduling disaster. You would have to do it with two teams, and two groups of owners at the same time. As JaxRed said, already having a South Atlantic League franchise in the city makes it about four times more difficult than a city with no existing team and a new ballpark.
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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Here is an updated list of all the PDC's that need to be extended:

    International League (AAA)
    Buffalo Bisons - New York (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Indianapolis Indians - Pittsburgh (signed through 2012)
    Lehigh Valley IronPigs - Philadelphia (signed through 2012)
    Pawtucket Red Sox - Boston (signed through 2012)
    Rochester Red Wings - Minnesota (signed through 2012)

    Pacific Coast League (AAA)

    Albuquerque Isotopes - Los Angeles (signed through 2012)
    Fresno Grizzlies - San Francisco (signed through 2012)
    Iowa Cubs - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Las Vegas 51s - Toronto (signed through 2012)
    Memphis Redbirds - St. Louis (signed through 2012)
    Nashville Sounds - Milwaukee (signed through 2012)
    New Orleans Zephyrs - Miami (signed through 2012)
    Oklahoma RedHawks - Houston (signed through 2012)
    Reno Aces - Arizona (signed through 2012)

    Eastern League (AA)

    Akron Aeros - Cleveland (signed through 2012)
    Binghamton Mets - New York (NL) (signed through 2012)
    New Britain Rock Cats - Minnesota (signed through 2012)
    Richmond Flying Squirrels - San Francisco (signed through 2012)


    Southern League (AA)

    Huntsville Stars - Milwaukee (signed through 2012)
    Jackson Generals - Seattle (signed through 2012)
    Jacksonville Suns - Miami (signed through 2012)
    Pensacola Blue Wahoos - Cincinnati (signed through 2012)

    Texas League (AA)

    Arkansas Travelers - Anaheim (signed through 2012)

    California League (A - Advanced)

    Bakersfield Blaze - Cincinnati (signed through 2012)
    High Desert Mavericks - Seattle (signed through 2012)
    Lake Elsinore Storm - San Diego (signed through 2012)
    Lancaster JetHawks - Houston (signed through 2012)
    Modesto Nuts - Colorado (signed through 2012)
    Rancho Cucamonga Quakes - Los Angeles (signed through 2012)
    San Bernardino Inland Empire 66ers - Anaheim (signed through 2012)


    Carolina League (A - Advanced)

    Wilmington Blue Rocks - Kansas City (signed through 2012)


    Florida State League (A - Advanced)

    Brevard County Manatees - Milwaukee (signed through 2012)
    Charlotte Stone Crabs - Tampa Bay (signed through 2012)
    Daytona Cubs - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Fort Myers Miracle - Minnesota (signed through 2012)


    Midwest League (A)

    Beloit Snappers - Minnesota (signed through 2012)
    Bowling Green Hot Rods - Tampa Bay (signed through 2012)
    Burlington Bees - Oakland (signed through 2012)
    Cedar Rapids Kernels - Anaheim (signed through 2012)
    Clinton Lumber Kings - Seattle (signed through 2012)
    Dayton Dragons - Cincinnati (signed through 2012)
    Fort Wayne TinCaps - San Diego (signed through 2012)
    Kane County Cougars - Kansas City (signed through 2012)
    Lansing Lugnuts - Toronto (signed through 2012)
    Peoria Chiefs - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Quad Cities River Bandits - St. Louis (signed through 2012)
    South Bend Silver Hawks - Arizona (signed through 2012)


    South Atlantic League (A)

    Asheville Tourists - Colorado (signed through 2012)
    Augusta GreenJackets - San Francisco (signed through 2012)
    Greensboro Grasshoppers - Miami (signed through 2012)
    Hagerstown Suns - Washington (signed through 2012)
    Hickory Crawdads - Texas (signed through 2012)
    Lakewood Blue Claws - Philadelphia (signed through 2012)
    Lexington Legends - Houston (signed through 2012)


    NY-Penn League (A - Short Season)

    Aberdeen IronBirds - Baltimore (signed through 2012)
    Batavia Muckdogs - St. Louis (signed through 2012)
    Hudson Valley Renegades - Tampa Bay (signed through 2012)
    Jamestown Jammers - Miami (signed through 2012)
    State College Spikes - Pittsburgh (signed through 2012)
    Tri-City ValleyCats - Houston (signed through 2012)
    Vermont Lake Monsters - Oakland (signed through 2012)
    Williamsport Crosscutters - Philadelphia (signed through 2012)


    Northwest League (A - Short Season)

    Boise Hawks - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Eugene Emeralds - San Diego (signed through 2012)
    Everett AquaSox - Seattle (signed through 2012)
    Salem-Keizer Volcanoes - San Francisco (signed through 2012)
    Spokane Indians - Texas (signed through 2012)
    Tri-City Dust Devils - Colorado (signed through 2012)
    Yakima Bears - Arizona (signed through 2012)


    Appalachian League (Rookie - Short Season)

    Burlington Royals - Kansas City (signed through 2012)
    Pulaski Mariners - Seattle (signed through 2012, possible extension to 2014)


    Pioneer League (Rookie - Short Season)

    Idaho Falls Chukars - Kansas City (signed through 2012)

    Couple of things in regards to just the Reds:

    It amazes me that their hasnt been any media release about the Reds extending with Pensacola. Only team I would like to see added to the Southern League is San Francisco.

    The Reds need to pounce on the Wilmington Blue Rocks
    http://diamondvisits.blogspot.com/ My Minor League stadium review site.

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Here is an updated list of all the PDC's that need to be extended:

    International League (AAA)
    Buffalo Bisons - New York (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Indianapolis Indians - Pittsburgh (signed through 2012)
    Lehigh Valley IronPigs - Philadelphia (signed through 2012)
    Pawtucket Red Sox - Boston (signed through 2012)
    Rochester Red Wings - Minnesota (signed through 2012)

    Pacific Coast League (AAA)

    Albuquerque Isotopes - Los Angeles (signed through 2012)
    Fresno Grizzlies - San Francisco (signed through 2012)
    Iowa Cubs - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Las Vegas 51s - Toronto (signed through 2012)
    Memphis Redbirds - St. Louis (signed through 2012)
    Nashville Sounds - Milwaukee (signed through 2012)
    New Orleans Zephyrs - Miami (signed through 2012)
    Oklahoma RedHawks - Houston (signed through 2012)
    Reno Aces - Arizona (signed through 2012)

    Eastern League (AA)

    Akron Aeros - Cleveland (signed through 2012)
    Binghamton Mets - New York (NL) (signed through 2012)
    New Britain Rock Cats - Minnesota (signed through 2012)
    Richmond Flying Squirrels - San Francisco (signed through 2012)


    Southern League (AA)

    Huntsville Stars - Milwaukee (signed through 2012)
    Jackson Generals - Seattle (signed through 2012)
    Jacksonville Suns - Miami (signed through 2012)
    Pensacola Blue Wahoos - Cincinnati (signed through 2012)

    Texas League (AA)

    Arkansas Travelers - Anaheim (signed through 2012)

    California League (A - Advanced)

    Bakersfield Blaze - Cincinnati (signed through 2012)
    High Desert Mavericks - Seattle (signed through 2012)
    Lake Elsinore Storm - San Diego (signed through 2012)
    Lancaster JetHawks - Houston (signed through 2012)
    Modesto Nuts - Colorado (signed through 2012)
    Rancho Cucamonga Quakes - Los Angeles (signed through 2012)
    San Bernardino Inland Empire 66ers - Anaheim (signed through 2012)


    Carolina League (A - Advanced)

    Wilmington Blue Rocks - Kansas City (signed through 2012)


    Florida State League (A - Advanced)

    Brevard County Manatees - Milwaukee (signed through 2012)
    Charlotte Stone Crabs - Tampa Bay (signed through 2012)
    Daytona Cubs - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Fort Myers Miracle - Minnesota (signed through 2012)


    Midwest League (A)

    Beloit Snappers - Minnesota (signed through 2012)
    Bowling Green Hot Rods - Tampa Bay (signed through 2012)
    Burlington Bees - Oakland (signed through 2012)
    Cedar Rapids Kernels - Anaheim (signed through 2012)
    Clinton Lumber Kings - Seattle (signed through 2012)
    Dayton Dragons - Cincinnati (signed through 2012)
    Fort Wayne TinCaps - San Diego (signed through 2012)
    Kane County Cougars - Kansas City (signed through 2012)
    Lansing Lugnuts - Toronto (signed through 2012)
    Peoria Chiefs - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Quad Cities River Bandits - St. Louis (signed through 2012)
    South Bend Silver Hawks - Arizona (signed through 2012)


    South Atlantic League (A)

    Asheville Tourists - Colorado (signed through 2012)
    Augusta GreenJackets - San Francisco (signed through 2012)
    Greensboro Grasshoppers - Miami (signed through 2012)
    Hagerstown Suns - Washington (signed through 2012)
    Hickory Crawdads - Texas (signed through 2012)
    Lakewood Blue Claws - Philadelphia (signed through 2012)
    Lexington Legends - Houston (signed through 2012)


    NY-Penn League (A - Short Season)

    Aberdeen IronBirds - Baltimore (signed through 2012)
    Batavia Muckdogs - St. Louis (signed through 2012)
    Hudson Valley Renegades - Tampa Bay (signed through 2012)
    Jamestown Jammers - Miami (signed through 2012)
    State College Spikes - Pittsburgh (signed through 2012)
    Tri-City ValleyCats - Houston (signed through 2012)
    Vermont Lake Monsters - Oakland (signed through 2012)
    Williamsport Crosscutters - Philadelphia (signed through 2012)


    Northwest League (A - Short Season)

    Boise Hawks - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012)
    Eugene Emeralds - San Diego (signed through 2012)
    Everett AquaSox - Seattle (signed through 2012)
    Salem-Keizer Volcanoes - San Francisco (signed through 2012)
    Spokane Indians - Texas (signed through 2012)
    Tri-City Dust Devils - Colorado (signed through 2012)
    Yakima Bears - Arizona (signed through 2012)


    Appalachian League (Rookie - Short Season)

    Burlington Royals - Kansas City (signed through 2012)
    Pulaski Mariners - Seattle (signed through 2012, possible extension to 2014)


    Pioneer League (Rookie - Short Season)

    Idaho Falls Chukars - Kansas City (signed through 2012)

    Couple of things in regards to just the Reds:

    It amazes me that their hasnt been any media release about the Reds extending with Pensacola after two months of baseball in the new stadium.

    The Reds need to pounce on the Wilmington Blue Rocks.
    http://diamondvisits.blogspot.com/ My Minor League stadium review site.

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    For my Redszone peeps up in the midwest for me this would be a dream scenario as I live here in Savannah, and I know it's a pipe dream. However the Met's affialiate draws horrible, and I have never met a Mets fan here. Realize South Carolina is to Savannah what Northern Kentucky is to Cincinnati, and the 2nd most common state car plate is Ohio.... I'd roughly say 1 in 10 people down here are Ohio transplants or refugees from the cold...

    But if this would ever come to pass, my Redszone peeps on the Minor League board can hit me up and I'll buy the beer, we'll go fishing all day on my skiff, and we'll catch the Sand Gnats...

    Wilmington and Savannah swap!!!

    One thing Savannah is a much bigger market 500k vs. Wilmington...
    Last edited by bellhead; 06-23-2012 at 09:51 AM.

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Being a lifelong Reds fan that grew up in Savannah, I will hate this. I no longer live there. Where were you when I was defending you against avid Braves fans for an entire childhood, Redlegs!
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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    That's ok. There's essentially ZERO chance of it happening.

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Quote Originally Posted by thatcoolguy_22 View Post
    Being a lifelong Reds fan that grew up in Savannah, I will hate this. I no longer live there. Where were you when I was defending you against avid Braves fans for an entire childhood, Redlegs!
    Living in Cincinnati...Savannah is growing right now as Gulf Stream is ramping up for G650 launch, talked to a guy today at lunch and he told me they have a couple hundred planes on back order. Once they receive the airframe certificate they will be rolling the planes out and will need another 1500 people. He mentioned they have to recruit almost all technicians and engineers due to a lack of skills in the area, also the pay is descent, 50k plus for a tech, 80k plus for an engineer starting..

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    My son and daughter-in-law live in Savannah and oddly enough, I just got a picture text of them at the ballpark there during tonight's game. My wife and I attended a game there years back when the team was affiliated with the Cardinals. I hate seeing old parks go, I really do. While visiting down there a year ago I made it a point to drive by the park and stroll around. The team was on the road that day but I still wanted to get by there.

    19Braves77,

    As far as seeing the Giants in the SL, I wouldn't hold my breath. My wife and I drove up to Richmond for the Erie series several weeks back and they have an excellent attendance there. The park is nothing to get excited about but the fans support the team and the organization does and excellent job of promoting the team. We were there for a Saturday night DH and there were @ 8,500 fans in the house. The following day, Sunday, there were @ 6,500 fans there. That's 15K fans for two days for a AA franchise. I'd be surprised to see SF relocate but then again, you never know.

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Brewers renewed with Brevard County.

    Not looking good about getting out of Bakersfield with Houston wanting out Lancaster also.
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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    the Reds will not escape the California League until 2014.

    Wilmington and Royals extend for 2 more years.
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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Quote Originally Posted by 19braves77 View Post
    the Reds will not escape the California League until 2014.

    Wilmington and Royals extend for 2 more years.
    Just in time for the new stadium...

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    Re: Savannah Sand Gnats...

    Quote Originally Posted by 19braves77 View Post
    the Reds will not escape the California League until 2014.

    Wilmington and Royals extend for 2 more years.
    Always the slight chance for FSL.


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