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    That would be pretty funny if it is $40K for Pigott. Talk about a "Because we can" offer. Hey, if you're a college senior in the draft, that's the risk you take. You have zero leverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    That would be pretty funny if it is $40K for Pigott. Talk about a "Because we can" offer. Hey, if you're a college senior in the draft, that's the risk you take. You have zero leverage.
    It isn't really funny, it is rather sad. But it happens all the time. That is why so many teams loaded up on college seniors in the 5-10th rounds, so they could go over slot when they wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    It isn't really funny, it is rather sad. But it happens all the time. That is why so many teams loaded up on college seniors in the 5-10th rounds, so they could go over slot when they wanted to.
    I don't really think it's sad. If the guys are worth their weight, they'll earn millions later. If those players are lackluster, the teams won't have tied up a big chunk of change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    It isn't really funny, it is rather sad. But it happens all the time. That is why so many teams loaded up on college seniors in the 5-10th rounds, so they could go over slot when they wanted to.
    It's not "sad" in the least. These college players are smart -- they know the system. If you're really good, you leave after your junior season. If you don't get drafted as a junior or decide to return as a senior, that's the risk you take.

    At least Pigott can always say he was a 9th-round pick ... and not a 34th-rounder like his former teammate Bryson Smith (who was also a collegiate senior when drafted by the Reds).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    So if you become a doctor at 28 instead of 27 you should take 25% of the pay for the first 4 years of your job?

    It sucks for those guys and frankly it is unfair. You can't slice it any other way.
    I would buy that it sucks this year for seniors, who may not have known what the new draft rules were, and it might even suck for the senior class next year. However, the draft rules should be well known and documented by next year. Players can come out after high school and have much more leverage.

    And as I said before, if the players are worth their weight, the bonus will be meaningless as they'll make plenty more at The Show.

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    I would buy that it sucks this year for seniors, who may not have known what the new draft rules were, and it might even suck for the senior class next year. However, the draft rules should be well known and documented by next year. Players can come out after high school and have much more leverage.

    And as I said before, if the players are worth their weight, the bonus will be meaningless as they'll make plenty more at The Show.
    This year isn't any different than years past.

    Mark Serrano signed for $25,000 in the 6th round in 2009. Only two other guys from that round signed for less than $125,000, a 4 year college catcher who got $15,000 and a guy who signed for $100,000.

    Teams have been screwing 4 year guys forever. This isn't new.

    The difference is, $100,000-200,000 can go a long way for someone. $15-40,000, not so much.

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    Re: 2012 Official Draft Picks and Signings

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Teams have been screwing 4 year guys forever. This isn't new.
    I think "screwing" them is a misuse to describe what's happening. It's just like anything else in life. The kid has little to no leverage, so why would they pay them more? $1,000 bonus are just what most 4-yr kids get because of that. Good luck to him if he wants to hold out til the last minute or hit up the Indy Leagues. It takes a prospect like Aaron Crow to do that, but not a 5th rounder or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOBTTReds View Post
    I think "screwing" them is a misuse to describe what's happening. It's just like anything else in life. The kid has little to no leverage, so why would they pay them more? $1,000 bonus are just what most 4-yr kids get because of that. Good luck to him if he wants to hold out til the last minute or hit up the Indy Leagues. It takes a prospect like Aaron Crow to do that, but not a 5th rounder or later.
    In the NFL, NBA seniors don't get paid 10-25% of non seniors when they sign. They get the slot money. I think these kids are getting screwed.

    It is like saying 'oh, its ok to pay someone in Mexico $1 a day to work, they don't really have any leverage'. Doesn't make it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    In the NFL, NBA seniors don't get paid 10-25% of non seniors when they sign. They get the slot money. I think these kids are getting screwed.

    It is like saying 'oh, its ok to pay someone in Mexico $1 a day to work, they don't really have any leverage'. Doesn't make it right.
    It's not like that at all. You are full of terrible analogies today. Again, did the "Mexican worker" in your analogy have the option of leaving to work a year earlier for more money, but turned it down? Or was the "Mexican worker" not good enough to get a job the previous year?

    Apples to unicorns.

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    Re: 2012 Official Draft Picks and Signings

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    This year isn't any different than years past.

    Mark Serrano signed for $25,000 in the 6th round in 2009. Only two other guys from that round signed for less than $125,000, a 4 year college catcher who got $15,000 and a guy who signed for $100,000.

    Teams have been screwing 4 year guys forever. This isn't new.

    The difference is, $100,000-200,000 can go a long way for someone. $15-40,000, not so much.
    The kids have the option to not go to college or come out early if they want to. If they choose not to, there will be financial consequences for that most likely. It's a choice, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    It's not like that at all. You are full of terrible analogies today. Again, did the "Mexican worker" in your analogy have the option of leaving to work a year earlier for more money, but turned it down? Or was the "Mexican worker" not good enough to get a job the previous year?

    Apples to unicorns.
    It is unfair, whether you like the analogy or not. I could care less about what they did the year before. It shouldn't matter in terms of their pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    It is unfair, whether you like the analogy or not. I could care less about what they did the year before. It shouldn't matter in terms of their pay.
    They don't have to sign.

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    This is silly. No one is getting screwed. Guys are getting chances to play baseball for money. If they do well, they can make a lot of money, as in millions of dollars. If they don't like what they're being offered, they can do something else for a living, like the rest of their fellow college seniors. What is so sad about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    This is silly. No one is getting screwed. Guys are getting chances to play baseball for money. If they do well, they can make a lot of money, as in millions of dollars. If they don't like what they're being offered, they can do something else for a living, like the rest of their fellow college seniors. What is so sad about that?
    Yes they are getting screwed. Someone else, with the exact same talent/potential gets 3-4 times of what a senior would because they happen to be 4-10 months younger when they were drafted?

    The idea that 'oh they get to play baseball for a living' doesn't mean they aren't getting screwed because you would love the chance. If your talent means you should be getting $150,000 and you are essentially forced to take $35,000, you are getting screwed, even if it is something you WANT to do. Being underpaid for a job you love still means you are underpaid as long as others are being paid much better for doing similar things.

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    It's a gamble the seniors take, either they raise their stock into the first 4 rounds or their screwed.


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