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    Future Farm

    After the dealings this past winter, I was afraid that it would take two or maybe three years to recover. 've been kind of struck this year about how much talent there seems to be in the farm system (especially in the lower levels.

    I know there will be the normal attrition: 6ht year FAs, some guys dealt, some guys going to the Reds, some being released and I know there will be addition through signings trades and waiver pickups for AAAA and filler types.

    I think there's a good chance that the Reds could fill most of their levels Louisville to Billings with guys originally drafted by the Reds (I realize a few listed are from deals or waiver pickups). I didn't include anyone that may come over from the DSL or as of yet unsigned 2012 draft picks.

    Louisville

    CF Ryan LeMarre
    SS Didi Gregorious
    3B Henry Rodriguez
    DH Neftali Soto
    1B Beau Mills
    3B David Vidal
    LF Denis Phipps
    RF Josh Feldhauer
    CA Mark Fleury

    Cody Puckett
    Miguel Rojas
    Andrew Means
    Felix Perez
    Bill Reinhardt
    Brian Peacock

    S1 Daniel Corcino
    S2 Kyle Lotzkar
    S3 Tony Cingrani (L)
    S4 JC Sulbaran
    S5 JJ Hoover
    LR Pedro Villareal
    MR Travis Webb
    MR Winfrin Obispo
    MR Joe Krebs (L)
    MR Josh Judy
    RS Nick Christiani
    LS Donnie Joseph (L)
    CL Jordan Smith


    Pensacola

    SS Billy Hamilton
    CF Theo Bowe
    2B Devin Lohman
    1B David Lutz
    DH Travis mattair
    RF Yordanys Perez
    LF Bryson Smith
    3B Brodie Greene
    CA Tucker Barnhart

    Niko Vazquez
    Jefrey Siera
    Steve Selsky
    Stephen Hunt
    Chris Berset

    S1 Chad Rogers
    S2 Josh Smith
    S3 Justice French
    S4 Dan Renken
    S5 Tim Crabbe
    LR Justin Freeman
    MR Blaine Howell (L)
    MR Mark Serrano
    MR Wilkin De La Rosa (L)
    MR Brian Pearl
    RS Curtis Partch
    LS Chris Manno (L)
    CL Drew Hayes


    Bakersfield

    SS Juan Perez
    2B Ryan Wright
    CF Yorman Rodriguez
    DH Sean Buckley
    RF Kyle Waldrop
    LF Juan Duran
    3B Junior Arias
    1B Dominic D'Anna
    CA Yovan Gonzalez

    Brandon Dailey
    Josef Terry
    Jeff Gelalich
    Juan Silva
    Danny Visioso

    S1 Jacob Johnson
    S2 Rhadames Quezada
    S3 Tanner Robles (L)
    S4 Daniel Tuttle
    S5 Carlos Gonzalez
    LR Pat Doyle
    MR Dan Wolford
    MR Michael Griffin
    MR Chris Joyce (L)
    MR El'Hajj Muhammad
    RS Carlos Contreras
    LS Kyle McMyne (L)
    CL Brooks Pinkard


    Dayton

    CF Beau Amaral
    2B Sammy Diaz
    LF Daniel Pigott
    1B Robert Maddox
    DH Carlos Sanchez
    3B Robert Ramirez
    RF Jonathan Reynoso
    CA Fray Sosa
    SS Brian Peterson

    Taylor Wrenn
    Jon Matthews
    Bryan Arias
    Jhimmy Lopez
    Spencer Dickson
    Brennan May
    Nick O'Shea
    Julio Morillo
    Wagner Gomez

    S1 Wes Mugarian
    S2 Drew Cisco
    S3 Ishmael Guillon (L)
    S4 Sal Romano
    S5 Stalin Gerson
    LR James Allen
    MR Joel Bender (L)
    MR Dan Jensen
    MR Cole Green
    MR Nolan Becker (L)
    RS Alejandro Chacin
    LS Nick Routt (L)
    CL Matt Wiley


    Billings

    CF Elliott Hargreaves
    2B Ty Washington
    3B Tanner Rahier
    LF Gabe Rosa
    RF Jesse Winker
    DH Sean Mejias-Brean
    1B Argenis Aldazoro
    CA Joe Hudson
    SS Humberto Valor

    Avain Rachal
    Ronald Bueno
    Jonathan Reynoso
    Nick Benadetto
    Wilfred Estevez
    Bryan Arias
    Porciano Flores
    Daniel Paula

    Josh Kennelly

    S1 Robert Stephenson
    S2 Nick Travieso
    S3 Amir Garrett (L)
    S4 Jon Moscot
    S5 Mitch Clarke (L)
    S6 Mason Felt (L)
    LR Vaugn Covington
    LR Jose Williams
    MR Michael Denhardt
    MR Ben Klimsch
    MR Wandy Peralta (L)
    MR Abel De Los Santos
    MR Carlos Ramos
    R7 Jose Ameczuca
    L7 Jordan Remer (L)
    R8 Jesus Adames
    L8 Richard McCaffrey (L)
    CL Michael Salter

    Position Players not listed

    Dioner Navarro
    Corky Miller
    Mike Costanzo
    Paul Janish
    Daryl Jones
    Danny Dorn
    Chris Valaika
    Kris Negron
    Joe Gathright

    (Goodyear)

    Daniel Paula

    Pitchers not listed

    Scott Carroll
    Ryan Feierabend
    Carlos Fisher
    Sean Gallagher
    Tim Gustafson
    Chad Reineke
    Brett Tomlo
    Kanekoa Texiera
    Luis Aitano
    Josh Ravin
    Andrew Brackman
    Ryan Keil
    Ryan Kemp
    Jamie Walczak

    (Goodyear)

    Kevin Arrico
    Pedro Diaz
    Nick Fleece
    Jose Guzman
    Robert Lewis-Walker
    Austin Muehring
    Jonathan Perez
    Longi Pineda
    Mike Saunders
    Weleen Taveras
    Jackson Stephens
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    Re: Future Farm

    Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?

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    Re: Future Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?
    Wasn't worried about 100% accuracy. I'd like to see them give Hoover a shot at starting though.

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    Re: Future Farm

    Assuming none of the free-agents-to-be are resigned, this is about how I see it shaking out next year:
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    	Cincinnati	Louisville	Pensacola	Bakersfield	Dayton
    C	Ryan Hanigan	free agent	Tucker Barnhart	Chris Berset	Joe Hudson
    1B	Joey Votto	Neftali Soto	Donald Lutz	Sean Buckley	Brandon Dailey
    2B	BrandonPhillips	Brodie Greene	Devin Lohman	Ryan Wright	Taylor Wrenn
    3B	Todd Frazier	Henry Rodriguez	David Vidal	Junior Arias	Tanner Rahier
    SS	Zack Cozart	Didi Gregorius	Billy Hamilton	Juan Perez	Brent Peterson
    LF	Chris Heisey	Cody Puckett	Juan Duran	Kyle Waldrop	Jesse Winker
    CF	Drew Stubbs	Ryan LaMarre	Bryson Smith	Theo Bowe	Jeff Gelalich
    RF	Jay Bruce	Josh Fellhauer	Yordanys Perez	YormanRodriguez	Beau Amaral
    DH			Bill Rhinehart	Dominic D'Anna	Steve Selsky	Juan Silva
    C	Devin Mesoraco	free agent	Mark Fleury	Yovan Gonzalez	Nick O'Shea
    IF 	Mike Costanzo							Aldi Guzman
    IF	Paul Janish			
    OF 	Denis Phipps	Felix Perez	Andrew Means	Kurt Muller	
    UT	Wilson Valdez	Kris Negron	free agent	Travis Mattair	Joe Terry
    					
    SP	Mat Latos	PedroVillarreal	Tony Cingrani	RadhamesQuezada	Robert Stephenson
    SP	Johnny Cueto	Kyle Lotzkar	Chad Rogers	Tanner Robles	Drew Cisco
    SP	Mike Leake	Dan Corcino	Dan Renken	Stalin Gerson	Nick Travieso
    SP	Homer Bailey	J.C. Sulbaran	Josh Smith	Jake Johnson	Sal Romano
    SP	Bronson Arroyo	Tim Crabbe	Curt Partch	Dan Tuttle	Jon Moscot
    SP			Mark Serrano	Justice French	Carlos Gonzalez	Wes Mugarian
    RP	Aroldis Chapman	Brian Pearl	Drew Hayes	CarlosContreras	Dan Langfield
    RP	Sean Marshall	Donnie Joseph	Blaine Howell	James Allen	Mason Felt
    RP	Nick Masset	Chris Manno	Chris Joyce	Ryan Kemp	Nolan Becker
    RP	Jose Arredondo	J.J. Hoover	Kyle McMyne	Brooks Pinckard	Nick Routt
    RP	Alfredo Simon	Logan Ondrusek	Jamie Walczak	Mike Dennhardt	Jordan Remer
    RP	Bill Bray	Nick Christiani	Pat Doyle	El'HajjMuhammad	Lucas O'Rear
    RP	Sam LeCure	Scott Carroll	Dan Wolford	Cole Green	Ben Klimesh
    RP			Justin Freeman	Erik Miller	Dan Jensen	Tony Amezcua

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    Re: Future Farm

    Cingrani back in AA to start 2013? No chance if he continues to pitch like he has in AA so far-- 2/3 as many hits as IP with a K rate over 11.5 and a 2.15 ERA will move him up. (The new-found confidence he apparently has in his slider should also pay dividends.)

    Louisville's rotation will be stacked, assuming no deals:
    Corcino
    Cingrani
    Lotzkar
    Sulburan
    Villareal

    Upside, upside, upside.
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    Re: Future Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Cingrani back in AA to start 2013? No chance if he continues to pitch like he has in AA so far-- 2/3 as many hits as IP with a K rate over 11.5 and a 2.15 ERA will move him up. (The new-found confidence he apparently has in his slider should also pay dividends.)

    Louisville's rotation will be stacked, assuming no deals:
    Corcino
    Cingrani
    Lotzkar
    Sulburan
    Villareal

    Upside, upside, upside.
    Phat Tony's ETA is around 2014, mostly he needs to work on his secondary stuff and innings... Dude is Phat...

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    Re: Future Farm

    Cingrani's secondary stuff plays up because his fastball has good movement. He doesn't need a great slider, just an average one. It does him no good to dominate AA with two pitches-- he needs to go to Louisville and pitch against those AAAA guys that can mash a fastball with movement to see how he stacks up.

    The innings he can get in both Pennsacola and Louisville.
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    Re: Future Farm

    I was just thinking it'd be nice if he faced some of the hitters multiple times. There's no need to rush him.

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    Re: Future Farm

    Is the guy you've got listed as Aldi Guzman the same as Argenis Aldazoro? I know they changed his name on the roster a couple of times. Kinda confusing. Or is Guzman injured?
    Last edited by corkedbat; 06-28-2012 at 10:44 AM.

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    Re: Future Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Assuming none of the free-agents-to-be are resigned, this is about how I see it shaking out next year:
    Code:
    	Cincinnati	Louisville	Pensacola	Bakersfield	Dayton
    C	Ryan Hanigan	free agent	Tucker Barnhart	Chris Berset	Joe Hudson
    1B	Joey Votto	Neftali Soto	Donald Lutz	Sean Buckley	Brandon Dailey
    2B	BrandonPhillips	Brodie Greene	Devin Lohman	Ryan Wright	Taylor Wrenn
    3B	Todd Frazier	Henry Rodriguez	David Vidal	Junior Arias	Tanner Rahier
    SS	Zack Cozart	Didi Gregorius	Billy Hamilton	Juan Perez	Brent Peterson
    LF	Chris Heisey	Cody Puckett	Juan Duran	Kyle Waldrop	Jesse Winker
    CF	Drew Stubbs	Ryan LaMarre	Bryson Smith	Theo Bowe	Jeff Gelalich
    RF	Jay Bruce	Josh Fellhauer	Yordanys Perez	YormanRodriguez	Beau Amaral
    DH			Bill Rhinehart	Dominic D'Anna	Steve Selsky	Juan Silva
    C	Devin Mesoraco	free agent	Mark Fleury	Yovan Gonzalez	Nick O'Shea
    IF 	Mike Costanzo							Aldi Guzman
    IF	Paul Janish			
    OF 	Denis Phipps	Felix Perez	Andrew Means	Kurt Muller	
    UT	Wilson Valdez	Kris Negron	free agent	Travis Mattair	Joe Terry
    					
    SP	Mat Latos	PedroVillarreal	Tony Cingrani	RadhamesQuezada	Robert Stephenson
    SP	Johnny Cueto	Kyle Lotzkar	Chad Rogers	Tanner Robles	Drew Cisco
    SP	Mike Leake	Dan Corcino	Dan Renken	Stalin Gerson	Nick Travieso
    SP	Homer Bailey	J.C. Sulbaran	Josh Smith	Jake Johnson	Sal Romano
    SP	Bronson Arroyo	Tim Crabbe	Curt Partch	Dan Tuttle	Jon Moscot
    SP			Mark Serrano	Justice French	Carlos Gonzalez	Wes Mugarian
    RP	Aroldis Chapman	Brian Pearl	Drew Hayes	CarlosContreras	Dan Langfield
    RP	Sean Marshall	Donnie Joseph	Blaine Howell	James Allen	Mason Felt
    RP	Nick Masset	Chris Manno	Chris Joyce	Ryan Kemp	Nolan Becker
    RP	Jose Arredondo	J.J. Hoover	Kyle McMyne	Brooks Pinckard	Nick Routt
    RP	Alfredo Simon	Logan Ondrusek	Jamie Walczak	Mike Dennhardt	Jordan Remer
    RP	Bill Bray	Nick Christiani	Pat Doyle	El'HajjMuhammad	Lucas O'Rear
    RP	Sam LeCure	Scott Carroll	Dan Wolford	Cole Green	Ben Klimesh
    RP			Justin Freeman	Erik Miller	Dan Jensen	Tony Amezcua
    Overall good work, and I love thinking about this kind of stuff (while the naysayers say it's too early, blah blah blah)...

    My comments:

    1. I think Cingrani has the whole second half of this season to continue to hone his craft and work on secondary stuff in AA. I think he begins 2013 in AAA along with the rest of the stacked rotation Scrap cited.

    2. I think LaMarre would get a look at a backup spot in Cincy before Phipps, but I'm not sure if either starts 2013 with the big club.

    3. Lutz has got to stay in LF if he has a future in this organization. I'd like to see him playing there in Pensacola right now, but definitely in 2013 (over someone like Perez).

    4. I think Amaral plays CF in Dayton next year, with Winker in RF and someone else in LF. I think Gelalich goes to Bakersfield to play RF (I think he plays out this season in Dayton), with some combination of Yorman/Bowe in CF next year in Bakersfield.

    5. Obviously a hotly debated topic, but don't be surprised to see Hamilton in CF next year- especially if it's being occupied by a non-prospect like Bryson Smith. He may move, he may not- but don't be surprised either way.

    6. Where are Seth Mejias-Brean and Gabe Rosa? Have to think Rosa is starting in Dayton next year, either at 3B or in the OF (if Rahier gets bumped to Dayton)

    7. I think Felt will spend another year in rookie ball. As I mentioned on another thread, I think Travieso could make the jump to Dayton but all the other HS pitchers likely spend another year in Rookie League.

    8. I wonder if Duran repeats Bakersfield for another year, next to his fellow international signee enigma Yorman Rodriguez. Who knows- to make room, maybe someone like Kyle Waldrop jumps a level?

    9. Langfield (depending on whether he's a starter or reliever), Guillon and possibly even Garrett could easily sneak into the Dayton rotation next year. Garrett could also be destined for another year in Rookie Ball. Gotta love the way the Louisville and Dayton rotations are shaping up.

    10. I think Hoover and Joseph could and should get a shot to stick with the big club in ST next year. Could say the same for Henry Rodriguez at 3B (and backup 1B/2B).
    Last edited by Benihana; 06-28-2012 at 11:08 AM.
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    Re: Future Farm

    As far as Billy goes, I think his ultimate position is decided by Stubbs and Cozart which one do you want to keep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Why would you have Hoover starting when all he's done this year is relieve while Pedro Villarreal has held his own in Louisville?
    I believe, Hoover pitched more innings as a starter than reliever in the Braves minor league system.

    And what's more valuable.......relievers or starters?

    Man, I'd love to see a Louisville rotation of Corcino, Cingrani, Lotzkar, Sulbaran, Hoover and/or Villareal. If they rose to the occasion, Reds would be in great position on the trade front.........either by trading a major league starter or one or two of these guys.

    Definitely wish Lutz could make it to Louisville next year in LF.
    And definitely want Hamilton playing CF at Pensacola. Cross my fingers.
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    Re: Future Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I believe, Hoover pitched more innings as a starter than reliever in the Braves minor league system.

    And what's more valuable.......relievers or starters?

    Man, I'd love to see a Louisville rotation of Corcino, Cingrani, Lotzkar, Sulbaran, Hoover and/or Villareal. If they rose to the occasion, Reds would be in great position on the trade front.........either by trading a major league starter or one or two of these guys.

    Definitely wish Lutz could make it to Louisville next year in LF.
    And definitely want Hamilton playing CF at Pensacola. Cross my fingers.
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