Cozart 6, Stubbs 8, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Ludwick 7, Frazier 5, Hanigan 2, Arroyo RHP
The out factory is back in business!
Cozart 6, Stubbs 8, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Ludwick 7, Frazier 5, Hanigan 2, Arroyo RHP
The out factory is back in business!
Originally Posted by westofyou
Not shocked, but I still shake my head.
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
There isn't a way to shuffle those deck chairs that's really going to make a big difference. The fact is the Reds need more players who make less outs. Barring that this offense is going to continue to be incredibly frustrating.
School's out. What did you expect?
Sure there is: Phillips batting 1st is a start. Or anything where the two worst hitters are not hitting in front of the team's best.
Cozart and Stubbs are the top two outmakers on the team. While a lot of the players make a lot of outs, putting literally the two kings of that castle at the top of the lineup is absurd.
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of Phillips batting lead off but regardless of where anybody is hitting when you have 3-4 guys in the lineup struggling to OBP .300 the marginal value of where they hit isn't going to make all that much difference aside from making us feel better.
School's out. What did you expect?
I tend to think that Frazier's .335 OBP would be nice in the 2-hole.
Yep, short of having Phillips, Bruce and Votto bat 1-2-3, changes in the lineup aren't going to have much effect.
Hoping to change my username to 75769024
To be clear, if it was up to me Stubbs and Cozart would be batting 7 & 8....
School's out. What did you expect?
Root, root, root for the Giants this weekend. And marlins while we're at it.
I dont drink alcohol. Thinking about starting.
Attended 1976 World Series in my Mother's Womb. Attended 1990 World Series Game 2 as a 13 year old. Want to take my son to a a World Series Game in Cincinnati in my lifetime.
I disagree there would ne effect from having BP 1st Frazier 2nd then Votto Ludwick and Bruce. You're replacing 2 abysmal OBP with 2 guys with decent OBPs. That alone would make a big difference.
Pirates are trailing in 4th 5-3 but they are threatening with guys 1 and 3rd. Zito gets out of it nothing scoring. Bedard's already been knocked out by the Giants. Pirates pen is in the game.
I'm not saying there'd be no effect. I'm just saying that sufficient studies have been done to indicate that the cumulative effect of shuffling the batting order is marginal. That argument sailed ten years ago. If the Reds want to make a real difference they need to replace some of the players they are currently running out there. Anybody who thinks that the Reds are going to substantially increase the number of runs they are scoring by juggling the current players in rotation is fooling themselves.
TMBS, I'm sick of seeing Stubbs and and Cozart at the top of the lineup too...
Last edited by pedro; 07-06-2012 at 09:21 PM.
School's out. What did you expect?
I do, and have a head start.
sorry we're boring
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