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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Nats have a reliever that's hit 105 mph?
    No, but then again, the Reds don't either. When was the last time you saw Chapman hit anything over 102? He's pretty consistent at 98 to 101 IMO. And yeah, they've got a reliever that sits there too.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Frazier really isn't even a good candidate to use in order to make a purist argument that selection to the all-star game should be based solely upon first half performance when there are guys like Prado, Hill, Heyward, Craig, Lucroy, Fowler, Colvin, Goldschmidt, and Kubel who don't have to dvr Fox tonight.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Nats have a reliever that's hit 105 mph?
    Rodriquez throws just over 100 when he can get the ball over the plate. But that's the problem. He can't always throw strikes.

    I have not heard one person mention Frazier for the ASG. But that's not a surprise at all. Harper has had all the pub since before he ever played one inning in MLB. He has that pizzazz about him, plus he's pretty darn good. I just as soon see him in the ASG as anyone else.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    A lot of these guys are picked because of marketing and fan interest in them.

    You could argue that Chapman made it because of fan's interest in his high velocity fastball. He did have a bad stretch there and it wasn't a given that he would make the team.

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    First off let me say that given the numbers straight up, Frazier wins over Harper. Hell, Cozart probably comes close too. However...

    The game is the "All-Star Game". Stars aren't necessarily the best performing players at the time, although they often tend to be. For instance Frazier v. Harper.

    However, Harper, with all the hype, and being just 19, IS becoming a star. Frazier may or may not become one, but right now he doesn't have the star power that Harper does.
    Cozart doesn't come close to Harper in a numbers game. Cozart is barely OPS'ing .700.

    mbgrayson, there aren't many guys picks for the game based on performance. All of the starters are picked based on popularity. Should it be that way? No, I don't think so. Especially now that it actually has meaning to it.

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    I'm not a fan of the all star game, but baseball knows what it is doing here.

    Harper is a young guy expected to be a star.
    Frasier may not have a job in 2-3 years. He's done a great job this year, but it's iffy he can maintain this level of performance. In contrast, Harper has an almost unlimited ceiling.

    MLB wants as many people to watch the AS Game as possible. Thus, it has to be a popularity contest. If they have a computer select the teams based on statisitical merit, ratings are going to take a hit.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    An All-Star game or any exhibition is, in a sense, anathema to a sport, in this sense: that whereas sports beg and demand to be taken seriously on a certain level, All-Star games are essentially about showing off.

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    Put it this way, Harper is better arm candy to baseball than Frazier is.

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Comparing Chapman to anybody is silly. Chapman has thrown a ball faster than (literally) anybody ever has, ever.

    Not to mention the fact Rodriguez has 4.63 ERA in 20 innings this year.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    If it was based on stats and not popularity you wouldn't have the annual superstar of former glory who is barely hitting his weight who always seems to get selected over a younger and MUCH better but less known and less popular player. If fans are going to make selections the game will always be partly a joke.

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Actually, why not bring LeHair into the conversation? He was put on the team straight up and this in spite of the fact that Starlin Castro was put on the team (ie LeHair did not need to be given a slot to meet the All Star quota).

    LeHair's WAR is 1.2 while Frazier's is 1.6. I mean, he has hit more home runs and his OPS is better, but his WAR number is lower than Frazier's or Harper's/

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Truth is, look around baseball. There are several pitchers who can crank out 100 mph fastballs, and it seems as if there are more every year. Chapman seems to be a novelty right now, but my guess is that within a year or two there will be another guy who will surpass Chapman's velocity record.

    I'm not sure it was Fangraphs or one of the other sites, but the average major league fastball over the last few years has gone from about 89-90 up to about 91-92. Whether that trend continues upward or not, I don't know. But it does seem that flame throwers who hit 100 mph regularly are becoming more commonplace. I also wonder if this will lead to more elbow and shoulder blow-outs as well.

    I suppose that's why I think the Reds need to concentrate on turning Chapman into a pitcher rather than marketing him as a circus act.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    But can Harper hit off pitchers that "try to trick you"? Since Frazier apparently cannot.

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    I dont really see anything to get upset about here. If the roles were reversed and we had Bryce Harper and instead a Washington Nationals part-time player who is having a strong season got picked as an All-Star replacement over our 19 year old phenom, we would be in an uproar.

    Love what Frazier is doing this year, but Harper deserves the nod. He brings a level of excitement that not many players do.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    At the All Star break:

    Bryce Harper's 2012 MLB stats:
    .282/.354/.472 for an OPS of .826, with 8 HRs, and 10 SBs. Bryce has 277 PAs is 63 games.

    Todd Frazier' 2012 MLB stats:
    .278/.345/.556 for an OPS of .901 with 9 HRs and 1 SB. Todd has 200 PAs in 60 games.

    Yet not only is Harper an all star, Frazier was never even mentioned. Heck, Frazier hasn't convinced Dusty that he should be starting at third over Scott Rolen.

    What about Allen Craig:

    .313, .377, .614, OPS .991 with 13 HR, 44 RBI's, 1 SB. He has 199 PA's in 46 games played.

    The point is that there are others much deserving than both Harper and Fraizer. There's always going to be snubs. I personally have no problem with Harper getting into the AS game. He's an exciting player to watch.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    What about Allen Craig:

    .313, .377, .614, OPS .991 with 13 HR, 44 RBI's, 1 SB. He has 199 PA's in 46 games played.

    The point is that there are others much deserving than both Harper and Fraizer. There's always going to be snubs. I personally have no problem with Harper getting into the AS game. He's an exciting player to watch.
    Basically this is why the Harper selection was wrong. it was done to increase ratings.

    The fact that both Fraizer and Craig, two role players, have been more productive than Harper speaks volumes about how bad of a pick this is. There easily a dozen players far more worthy than Harper.
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