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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    I know Phillips is a fan favorite in Cincy but I'm not seeing this All Star year that he's having like most Reds fans are seeing. Sure he is playing excellent defense but he's having a below average offensive year. His OPS+ of 97 is nothing to write home about. Aaron Hill was far more deserving in my opinion. Only Robinson Cano has a better WAR than him this year and Hill is also an above average defender. I voted for Phillips in the past but I cannot get on board with him being an AS this year.
    Agree with you on this one. Phillips has been very good, but not a clear cut All-Star.
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    When the play by play of Harper's first big league homer included the words "his first of hundreds" I knew the hype would be out of this world. The hype started when he was in HS and it won't stop until he stops hitting. I enjoyed him being on the team more than any name mentioned here. The stats don't lie. He was far less deserving based on them. But I would tell the snubs and there fans to "hang with em" he's the golden boy and you/yours are not.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by DGullett35 View Post
    Harper being chosen is all about ratings and money plain and simple. Ive come to just live with it.
    Isn't that the entire purpose of the All Star game and its related festivities? It seems that picking Harper fits that to a tee. IMO, MLB missed the boat by not including Harper in the HR Derby.

    I think people criticizing this move are placing a meaning on the All Star game that just does not exist.

    It's the All Star game not the All Stat game.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Plus, Frazier isn't even a starter on his own team.

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    Plus, Frazier isn't even a starter on his own team.
    From the very first post of this thread:
    Heck, Frazier hasn't convinced Dusty that he should be starting at third over Scott Rolen.
    I didn't use Frazier to compare with Harper so much because I really thought that Todd should be an all star, as to make the point that Harper hadn't really earned his slot. My secondary point was a pitch that Frazier should be given the starting third base job over Rolen.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    The "Star" in All-Star is purposeful. Harper is a star. Frazier, decidedly, is not.

    I read a recent blog post by Joe Sheehan about the ASG. He proposed that it is used to kick off the season rather than half way through. I love that idea. You'd get rid of all these half season wonders and remove rookies from the conversation entirely.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

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    Craig should be there instead of Harper (or Frazier). There aren't enough Cardinals on the All-Star team.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Craig should be there instead of Harper (or Frazier). There aren't enough Cardinals on the All-Star team.
    Its also telling, though expected from TLR, that when Stanton was hurt, he picked Harper (another OF), leaving the Marlins with no players in the ASG. However, when Molina was hurt, rather than picking up another catcher, he grabbed another Cardinal (Holliday) leaving the NL team with only two catchers. Now whether he should have picked Harper or a different OF (heck, I wouldn't have minded Holliday as much then) is not my point.

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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Beltran, Holliday, Molina deserved to go. Furcal, Lynn and Freese, not so much. At least 4 better options at each position than those last three.
    Who at 3B would you have taken over Freese? This is another position where the NL is weak. You have David Wright and everyone else. If you look at Freese's production, his selection wasn't that crazy. There's only 1 other third baseman that has started the entire season in the NL that has a better BA and only two other 3B that have more RBI's and a better OBP.

    With Tulo gone, Furcal wasn't that crazy of a choice either. There's only two other SS with more RBI's than him (remember he's a leadoff hitter) and only one other SS with a better OBP than him this year at SS in the NL. If Tulo was playing everyday, my opinion would be different but there has not been a clear dominant player at SS this year.

    I can agree with you about Lynn though. As good as he has been replacing Carpenter, he probably shouldn't have been an all star.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

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    They moved Beltran to CF because Jay was injured. You know thet.

    If the Cardinals are all healthy, Craig is their fourth outfielder. Role Player. Nothing wrong with that, he's a very valuable player and having a great year... As a role player.
    So you're saying that Craig wouldn't be a perfect fit for the Reds, in that ball park? I have a feeling that many would disagree with you on that here. He would be starting for the majority of teams in baseball, whether it be RF or LF.

    Yes, Jay was injured but Matheny and the Cardinals organization has been reluctant to put Beltran in CF because of his knees. I also don't consider a player who plays 4-6 games a week as a role player. Even when Berkman comes back, Craig will still see a lot of time in the lineup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    The "Star" in All-Star is purposeful. Harper is a star. Frazier, decidedly, is not.

    I read a recent blog post by Joe Sheehan about the ASG. He proposed that it is used to kick off the season rather than half way through. I love that idea. You'd get rid of all these half season wonders and remove rookies from the conversation entirely.
    "The early Spring Classic"? No thanks Joe
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Hey look a thread turned into talking about the Cardinals. This never happens.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    After Saturday's game against the Cards, a little of the hype comes Frazier's way. From Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports:
    Rolen is 37 now. He recently missed five weeks with a strained left shoulder. And his replacement, rookie Todd Frazier, is producing numbers even better than the more-celebrated Bryce Harper’s.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    After Saturday's game against the Cards, a little of the hype comes Frazier's way. From Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports:
    Rolen is 37 now. He recently missed five weeks with a strained left shoulder. And his replacement, rookie Todd Frazier, is producing numbers even better than the more-celebrated Bryce Harper’s.
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    Re: East coast media bias; should Todd Frazier be an all star instead of Bryce Harper

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    I know Phillips is a fan favorite in Cincy but I'm not seeing this All Star year that he's having like most Reds fans are seeing. Sure he is playing excellent defense but he's having a below average offensive year. His OPS+ of 97 is nothing to write home about. Aaron Hill was far more deserving in my opinion. Only Robinson Cano has a better WAR than him this year and Hill is also an above average defender. I voted for Phillips in the past but I cannot get on board with him being an AS this year.
    We can agree on Hill. But I think Phillips should've made the team over Uggla. Alas, that vote belonged to the fans. Ugh.


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