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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    At this point, Heisey's career OPS is 40 points higher than Stubbs and statistically speaking, his defense is comparable if not arguably better.

    There's really no reason one can't justify Heisey being a better option.
    I don't see Heisey being a better defensive CF than Stubbs by any margin. There is minor sample size out there for Heisey in CF. IMO, from watching, Stubbs looks much better out there, which seems reasonable considering their athletic attributes.

    I still feel that assuming Stubbs' BAPIP regresses, that his overall game is an upgrade on Heisey. At his best, Stubbs has posted 4 WAR seasons, something that Heisey has not shown in CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    Keeping booing Molina crowd - you're feeding the dude!
    I said this on Friday when we were at the game. I'd be really curious to see what his stats have been in games here since "the fight." Anyone know how to check that somewhere?
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    LOL - gotta hand it to him - getting booed like crazy and he's killing us. I have no animus toward Molina. He hit a bad pitch out. When fans get on a guy like Molina all I think it does is make him bear down and get better...

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    LOL - gotta hand it to him - getting booed like crazy and he's killing us. I have no animus toward Molina. He hit a bad pitch out. When fans get on a guy like Molina all I think it does is make him bear down and get better...
    That was a bad pitch? Breaking ball out of the strike zone?

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    that's when your fans are your worst enemies and they don;t even know it

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Freese walks

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake View Post
    That was a bad pitch? Breaking ball out of the strike zone?
    not bad on Bailey's part - no no - a bad as in out of the zone meaning simply that - a bad pitch a ball

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake View Post
    That was a bad pitch? Breaking ball out of the strike zone?
    Which seems to be all of the ones Molina is killing us with, swinging at balls at his ankles or down and away.
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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Homer at 78 pitches, now 79.

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Descalso grounds out to 3rd. 2-2 mid 6th.

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    not bad on Bailey's part - no no - a bad as in out of the zone meaning simply that - a bad pitch a ball
    My bad, I misunderstood you. Got you now.

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Homer pitching very well tonight. One of his better games at GABP. He had a little slump there a bit earlier in the season, but he's back on track now.

    Not a great fit for GABP but much improved pitcher. And best of all he tends to come on strong in the late innings frequently.

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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    I don't see Heisey being a better defensive CF than Stubbs by any margin. There is minor sample size out there for Heisey in CF. IMO, from watching, Stubbs looks much better out there, which seems reasonable considering their athletic attributes.

    I still feel that assuming Stubbs' BAPIP regresses, that his overall game is an upgrade on Heisey. At his best, Stubbs has posted 4 WAR seasons, something that Heisey has not shown in CF.
    You might not. Others might not. But at best it's still pretty subjective either way. An argument could be made for either. To what sample we have for both, Heisey's UZR is progressing at a pace in CF that Stubbs' has progressed, though Stubbs' sample is obviously bigger.

    To this point though, Heisey has been an overall better hitter through his career in his 700+ PAs.
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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Alright, so say we make the playoffs and get homefield advantage (still far in advance, but I was just thinking about this). I think most people assume it will be Cueto-Latos-Arroyo or some combination of that. Looking at Bailey's road stats, does he get a consideration for the third game which would be away, or maybe Game 4?
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    Re: 7.15.12 Cards at Cincy - Sunday night baseball

    Yeah - I agree Brutus and if he'd learn to be a tad more patient I think he'd be a much better hitter. At 3.5 pitches per appearance he's the worst on the Reds and it isn't even close. League average is just overage 3.8 Joey is over 4.25 no one else is below 3.73


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