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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    This is BS. Anybody watching him can tell his knee was not "fine". His power was sapped and he couldn't run out ground balls, even double play grounders. I can recall one of those early in the series and one of the Reds radio announcers (I think it was Kelch) commented that the knee was still bothering him.
    Yep, the Reds are just covering their butts with this.. They don't want the perception that they screwed up. And the sheep will believe them.
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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Someone mentioned Pirates prospect Josh Bell on another thread, and I started to wonder what had happened to him. I knew he was playing in Charleston when the season started, but he wasn't now. Turns out he had surgery on a torn meniscus April 27 and was expected to be out several weeks, but still isn't back.

    I'm going to assume that the difference is that there's no urgency involved in getting a low A guy in his first full year of pro ball back.

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Yep, the Reds are just covering their butts with this.. They don't want the perception that they screwed up. And the sheep will believe them.
    What did Paul Lessard know, and exactly when did he know it??

    Speak directly into the flower centerpiece, please...

    I'm getting out my tin foil hat now.

    Minor injuries are NEVER discussed with the public in any detail at all, so as to not give your opponent an edge. I really can't get my head wrapped around the fact of why some here refuse to consider that.

    I could give less than crap if Kremchek is fired and replaced with someone else who is better. Just please choose someone from this list:

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=11338

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Redread - your coverup conspiracy is amusing but the fact is the Reds are on hook for a quarter billion dollars. I refuse to believe they nonchalantly just ignored the injury knowing it was more than a sprain and lolly gagged their way through the All Star Game watching their quarter billion dollars tear itself into meniscussy lil pieces. Things happened the way they've been explained but no one will believe it because everyone wants a head to roll and a juicy story of negligence and coverup rather than the blah truth.

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Dear Reds Fans,

    Please study Occam's razor

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    WOY - LOL

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Well, I don't have documentation, as it was 2004.
    But I remember it being diagnosised as a blister.
    Kearns missed some time "day to day"
    Then he tried to play through it
    Then finally it was announced as hand damage that required surgery.
    I can't prove it, but the Reds delayed treatment on it, and lied to the fans about the injury.
    I'm pretty sure Doc Hollywood is competent enough to know that it was more than a blister.

    And again, I'm not saying the Reds owe us detailed info, but I expect them to "no comment' instead of lying.

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    QUOTE=kaldaniels;

    Yet, no one else can find any information about Kearns' blister either.
    No one has any information to refute how I remembered it.
    Nice try Mr Berger
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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2012/...led-perfectly/

    The bottom line is Votto has no regrets on how he or the club handled the injury that became a torn meniscus cartilage.
    “I was very optimistic. I was hoping it was just something muscular and it turned out to be a small structural thing. Ask 100 different ballplayers, especially those play every day, you just play."
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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2004/...5251088618251/

    Published: June 30, 2004 at 1:57 PM
    CINCINNATI, June 30 (UPI) -- Cincinnati Reds outfielder Austin Kearns will undergo surgery on his ailing right thumb Friday and will be out of the lineup four to six weeks.

    The decision to have surgery followed visits to a hand specialist and an orthopedic surgeon.

    Kearns, who has been sidelined by the injury since June 8, tried batting practice Tuesday wearing a specially designed glove that padded the affected area.

    "It sounds like a little thing, but it makes it difficult to hold the bat," said Kearns, who is hitting just .195 with three home runs and 13 RBI in 28 games.

    Dr. Timothy Kremchek, the team physician, and hand specialist Dr. Peter Stern will remove a callous, scar tissue and a bone spur that caused a lesion at the base of the thumb.

    "We will wait for the skin to heal, but he can do baseball-related activities other than hit," Kremchek said.


    http://reds.enquirer.com/2004/08/12/...es812.rtf.html

    Thursday, August 12, 2004
    Blood blister sidelines Kearns

    Was batting .333 during rehabilitation stint
    By Kevin Kelly and John Fay
    Enquirer staff writer

    Austin Kearns was halfway to the magic number.

    The Reds said they would consider bringing their starting right fielder back from his latest rehabilitation assignment with Triple-A Louisville after he accumulated 50 or so plate appearances.

    Kearns entered Tuesday's game against Charlotte with 25 but left when a blood blister formed under the spot where doctors operated on his right thumb July 2.

    "Everything was going well in Louisville until then," Kearns said. "I was just happy to be back out there and playing. Then this happened."

    On Wednesday, Kearns returned to Cincinnati where hand specialist Dr. Peter Stern examined the thumb. Stern recommended Kearns rest for a few days.

    "I had (a blood blister) in spring training, then it went away," said Kearns, who could begin swinging lightly this weekend. "This one popped up and it's just kind of a precautionary thing."

    Reds general manager Dan O'Brien said Wednesday there has been no talk about shutting down Kearns.

    "That's not a consideration at this juncture," O'Brien said.

    Kearns was batting .333 with six runs, nine walks and two RBI during the rehab assignment. He started six games in right field and one at designated hitter.

    This latest setback adds to a frustrating season for the 24-year-old.

    Kearns has been on the disabled list twice - the first time for a broken left forearm - for a total of 74 games. In the 28 games Kearns has played, he batted .195 with three homers, 13 RBI and 30 strikeouts.

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Ah, I see.

    So now, Dr. Peter Stern, best hand surgeon in the region, is in on the conspiracy as well!

    And that hack Kremchek actually referred the case to someone who knows more than him? Jeez, talk about a God complex...

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    And just who is this "UPI" that wrote the story? Sounds made up.

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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    And just who is this "UPI" that wrote the story? Sounds made up.
    It's clear retribution for getting passed up as the AP's second fiddle in favor of "Reuters."

    lol
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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Date of article is June 8..

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...earns-dl_x.htm

    After not starting nine straight games with a sore right thumb, injury-plagued outfielder Austin Kearns was placed on the 15-day disabled list Tuesday by the Cincinnati Reds.
    The move is retroactive to June 2.

    Took the Reds a considerable amount of time to figure out that it needed surgery..
    Don't know if it was the trainer, doctor, or whatever, but they didn't seem to diagnose it correctly.

    WOY's own posting indicates he was diagnosed as a blister earlier.
    So there were two blisters that year.
    Now I can understand the confusion.. I only remembered the earlier one.

    But I'm sure that's not enough for some people.. thus the following:
    http://honestwagner.blogspot.com/200...in-kearns.html

    March 2004 - Kearns is not 100% in Spring Training yet remains "the only untouchable" on the Reds' roster (WC).

    April 2004 - Kearns is slumping as he struggles to regain form lost to shoulder surgery: hits .137 / .290 / .333 in 51 April at-bats.

    April 2004 - Kearns snaps his ulna, "the large bone on the medial side of the forearm," on an inside pitch (WC).

    May 2004 - Kearns come back quickly from the snapped arm bone, but hits only .286 / .390 / .371 in 35 at-bats.

    June 2004 - Kearns develops a mysterious wound, a "hole in his hand," that won't heal (WC). It originally "started as a blister, but has wavered in severity, never enough to get him back in the lineup" (WC). He is fitted with special gloves padded to protect bone spurs near his thumb but soon has surgery "to remove bone spurs, scar tissue, and close the wound on his right thumb" (WC). He strikes out in his only June at-bat.
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    Re: Votto expected to be out 3-4 weeks after knee surgery

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Date of article is June 8..

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...earns-dl_x.htm



    Took the Reds a considerable amount of time to figure out that it needed surgery..
    Don't know if it was the trainer, doctor, or whatever, but they didn't seem to diagnose it correctly.

    WOY's own posting indicates he was diagnosed as a blister earlier.
    So there were two blisters that year.
    Now I can understand the confusion.. I only remembered the earlier one.

    But I'm sure that's not enough for some people.. thus the following:
    http://honestwagner.blogspot.com/200...in-kearns.html
    But the thing is, you called the medical staff liars for essentially covering up a blister when in fact they knew it was more serious.

    But what you posted above says that the hand thing "started as a blister". So at one point in time, it was in fact a blister.

    If you want to say they didn't treat the blister correctly, that is a whole different ballgame than calling them liars.


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