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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    Votto did not have an MRI before Monday.

    “He didn’t request until then,” Jocketty said. “He didn’t think it was much of problem until the last few days.”

    What am I missing here?
    When you invest a quarter of a billion dollars in someone you'd think the medical staff would have looked into it more.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

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    We'll be fine.

    Votto is a huge loss obviously, but we aren't a one man team.
    No, but we're a one man offense.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    No, but we're a one man offense.
    Nah, he's our best offensive player by a mile, but we have a lot of other guys who drive in runs. Not saying it doesn't hurt, just that I think we're good enough to win without him for a little while.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Stray View Post
    When you invest a quarter of a billion dollars in someone you'd think the medical staff would have looked into it more.
    If a guy said he was "fine" its just a little sore, you trust him. He was playing and producing. Not as he was the last 3 weeks, but you can make an argument that he was coming back down to his normal .310-.325 batting average. An MRI gives off a LOT of radiation. Maybe Joey refused. You can't put a gun to his head. A torn Meniscus does not limit range of motion. It's just painful. We all have tweeked our ankle and or knee and it has healed on its own. This did not.
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    If a guy said he was "fine" its just a little sore, you trust him. He was playing and producing. Not as he was the last 3 weeks, but you can make an argument that he was coming back down to his normal .310-.325 batting average. An MRI gives off a LOT of radiation. Maybe Joey refused. You can't put a gun to his head. A torn Meniscus does not limit range of motion. It's just painful. We all have tweeked our ankle and or knee and it has healed on its own. This did not.
    It was just so obvious he wasn't right ever since the injury. I dunno, with how important he is to us not only now, but for the next decade, there's no way I'm not giving him an MRI on the West coast.

    It just seems like the lazy way to do things. Of course you hope it's just a tweaked knee that will heal with time, but you have to make sure ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin88 View Post
    It's not like having herpes, or not.

    There's a whole range of potential meniscus injuries and if it was a complete tear, there's even a few different types of those. A lot of those injuries are treated through conservative measures that don't even involve surgery... it all depends on the severity and the athlete in question.

    For what it's worth, I tore my meniscus, had surgery, and ran a 10k a week and a half later. Joey obviously needs a lot more out of his body, but he also has a whole team of medical professionals to help him with it. I know this sounds severe, but I'm sure the Reds were just waiting to see how it responded.

    He probably didn't further damage it much playing on it the bit he has since occurring it, but might have aggravated the pain of it. It's torn cartilege. This is as good a time as the schedule could afford to have to deal with something like this. I'm sure Joey will respond well.

    But just be patient, reasonable and stop trying to assign blame about injuries. They happen, it's a part of the game. Time for the rest of the team to step up.
    Injuries are part of the game...that is not the issue..issue is lack of an organization to do what is needed to protect its players and to have quality professionals be able to diagnose and treat injuries correctly and quickly.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    Why did it take the Reds medical staff 17 days to determine Votto had a torn meniscus?
    Simple it was.that many days till the MRI was done...which raises even mote questions...

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    Votto did not have an MRI before Monday.

    “He didn’t request until then,” Jocketty said. “He didn’t think it was much of problem until the last few days.”

    What am I missing here?
    Poor lack of managerial control from both GM and manager.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Stray View Post
    Nah, he's our best offensive player by a mile, but we have a lot of other guys who drive in runs. Not saying it doesn't hurt, just that I think we're good enough to win without him for a little while.
    Two months is in no way a little while....

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Poor lack of managerial control from both GM and manager.
    Walt and Dusty aren't paid to be doctors, Dr. K is.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Two months is in no way a little while....
    It'll be much faster than that imo.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Stray View Post
    Walt and Dusty aren't paid to be doctors, Dr. K is.
    Who is the GM...whom does Dr. K report to? Who makes up the line up card? Whom could have stopped JC from playing in the ASG?

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Who is the GM...whom does Dr. K report to? Who makes up the line up card? Whom could have stopped JC from playing in the ASG?
    Cmon man, you hire a medical staff to diagnose injuries and give the people making decisions the correct information.

    Sure he reports to Walt, but ultimately Dr. K has to do his job. Dusty makes the lineup with what he's given, which apparently was a 1st baseman who needed a few days off. He's not an expert in diagnosing injured knees. He has to defer to those who are.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    This is a bad blow to the team but we're in no way out of it. Not sure how to think of this, but although his WAR is one of the highest in baseball a 4.4 still suggests that we're still a good ball club without him. Some positives:

    Even if we're a .500 team without him these next few weeks, we should still be right there.

    Our schedule during his recovery leans heavily in our favor.

    Votto's injury has nothing to do with the "Pirates will phase out" theory.

    This could be much, much worse than what it is.

    Votto has a decent health insurance plan.

    This setback only feeds his work ethic even more.

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    Re: Votto has torn meniscus, to miss 3-4 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Stray View Post
    When you invest a quarter of a billion dollars in someone you'd think the medical staff would have looked into it more.
    This does not surprise me unfortunately considering how they missed Madson's diagnosis as well.


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