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Thread: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

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    Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    All,

    GIK and I have recently spoken and are considering merging the Old Red Guard and Sun Deck forums into one forum and want to get your thoughts on the idea (whether via a vote or response to this post). If we do decide to do this, please be well aware the forum would be run using current ORG moderation guidelines (i.e. stricter than the Sun Deck has historically been). If anyone cannot adapt to those rules, they would be subject to disciplinary measures up to a permanent ban from the site. Additionally, please note that the results of these polls will not necessarily determine if we make the change - we simply want to measure the level of interest.

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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    This is gonna be a long thread. Lol!
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    I think there are some good topics in the Sun Deck. I read both forums and would enjoy the opportunity to respond Sun Deck members. We are all Reds Fans or we would not be on here.

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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    I have accidentally entered the Sun Deck game threads thinking that I was entering the ORG game threads. All I can say is that the type of posting going on in the Sun Deck game threads is similar to what folks over here were mocking on the stl.today forums.

    With that said, the separation of the two has not seemed to raise the level of discourse on the ORG board, which was the intended purpose. So perhaps the rejoining of the two will revive the Board into one of the best on the internet as it was.

    Ironically, the board was best when the team was bad, and vice versa.
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    I think the forums need to undergo renovation or there needs to be a way to allow more people to enter the ORG.

    IMHO, the quality of discussion in the ORG would benefit by allowing new voices to also contribute.
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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    Let me add a suggestion if the idea is improving the board: reaching out to folks who left the board for one reason or another, whether they were banned or otherwise. I'm thinking of folks like SteelSD, Falls City Beer, Princeton, Creek, Rosie Red...the place is not better without them. We all can be abrasive at times, even to the point of annoyance and needing disciplined. The funny thing is that I grappled with these folks over many issues, but they made me think about my positions, and sometimes I changed them because I was wrong. If it is folks who were banned for "fighting," give them a short rope.
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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I think the forums need to undergo renovation or there needs to be a way to allow more people to enter the ORG.

    IMHO, the quality of discussion in the ORG would benefit by allowing new voices to also contribute.
    I voted no, but I agree with this. Even something like a review after the posters first 20 posts or something. More voices would be good, but not unfettered access.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    Yes
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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Ironically, the board was best when the team was bad, and vice versa.

    That's because when the team is going bad the bandwagon jumpers are gone, and the more serious fans stay.

    Winning always brings out the more casual fan who expect winning as a matter of course.

    I'm not sure if there is actually that much difference between the two boards, they are largely unreadable anway. If you sift through a game thread where we actually win, 80-90% of the posts are usually negative.

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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    I love the idea. Sure, I could see more headaches at first, but I agree that the board was at its best when we had more voices sharing in the discussion.
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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    There is a big difference in what is posted about and the general tone of the posters between SD and ORG. I see gross negativity in the SD, but all I see on the ORG is worrying. I don't believe it's negative to worry abut what is going to happen in a specific situation out loud, because that's what fans do, but consider last night's game thread over in the SD where the debate went on about Jay Bruce hitting bottom after he had just gone 2-3 with a HR and a double or the one saying Jay wasn't young anymore and I think you'll see the difference.

    I voted no, but I do think we could ease the process for entering into the ORG just a bit.
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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    This might be impossible but if there's a way to implement poster-level "community policing" that won't be abused (and this should be the case even without merging the two forums), that would be super.

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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    Maybe there could be an arrangement where ORG posters are allowed to make say 20 posts per week in the Sun Deck? Sun Deck posters could make 10 posts per week in the ORG. Get some cross-pollination going. It gives us an opportunity to get introduced to the newer members and vice versa. It would help us determine who is a good candidate to come to the ORG and it would allow the ORG members to set a good example for the SunDeckers (hopefully) so they can see the ORG standards in action.

    Some fresh opinions help get the conversation going. Adding a few banana phone callers into this stale environment might do wonders to unite us bickering old regulars to "educate" the newbies that have not yet been indoctrinated/brainwashed.

    (By the way, I am not saying that SunDeckers are like banana phone callers.)

    The standard for admission to the ORG could be lowered with the idea of only keeping out the wackos and blowhards but allowing any sane person entry. Entry into the ORG should be based on the poster's civility rather than his opinions or understanding of baseball.

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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    This might be impossible but if there's a way to implement poster-level "community policing" that won't be abused (and this should be the case even without merging the two forums), that would be super.
    Can you please expand on that little? I think we briefly discussed this in another thread, but you don't have something like the old reputation system in mind, right?

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    Re: Possible ORG/Sun Deck Merge - Are you in Favor?

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    Maybe there could be an arrangement where ORG posters are allowed to make say 20 posts per week in the Sun Deck? Sun Deck posters could make 10 posts per week in the ORG. Get some cross-pollination going. It gives us an opportunity to get introduced to the newer members and vice versa. It would help us determine who is a good candidate to come to the ORG and it would allow the ORG members to set a good example for the SunDeckers (hopefully) so they can see the ORG standards in action.

    Some fresh opinions help get the conversation going. Adding a few banana phone callers into this stale environment might do wonders to unite us bickering old regulars to "educate" the newbies that have not yet been indoctrinated/brainwashed.

    (By the way, I am not saying that SunDeckers are like banana phone callers.)

    The standard for admission to the ORG could be lowered with the idea of only keeping out the wackos and blowhards but allowing any sane person entry. Entry into the ORG should be based on the poster's civility rather than his opinions or understanding of baseball.
    The posting limit is not a bad idea, but I don't believe there's anything we can do within the vB software to allow for those restrictions.


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