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    Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10

    The Reds Top 10 has undergone so much upheaval that I put four 2012 draftees on our updated version. Seven of the 10 players below are products of the last two drafts. Other players I considered included lefthanders Amir Garrett and Donnie Joseph, righthanders Pedro Diaz and J.C. Sulbaran and second baseman Ryan Wright.

    1. Billy Hamilton, ss
    May have to move off shortstop but his speed will wreak havoc anywhere.
    2. Robert Stephenson, rhp
    Has hit upper 90s en route to Pioneer League lead in strikeouts.
    3. Tony Cingrani, lhp
    Unhittable since moving from bullpen to rotation after signing as 2011 third-rounder.
    4. Daniel Corcino, rhp
    Continues to draw Johnny Cueto comparisons while having solid Double-A year at age 21.
    5. Nick Travieso, rhp
    The 14th overall pick in June has a power fastball/slider combination.
    6. Didi Gregorius, ss
    Overshadowed by Hamilton, he's athletic and has a better chance to stick at short.
    7. Kyle Lotzkar, rhp
    Finally healthy, he has reworked his delivery and regained his stuff.
    8. Jesse Winker, of
    Hit .337/.472/.429 in first 29 games after signing as 2012 sandwich pick.
    9. Tanner Rahier, 3b
    A second-rounder in June, he has a promising bat and plenty of intensity.
    10. Jeff Gelalich, of
    Broke out this spring at UCLA, went in sandwich round, has all-around tools.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...2/2613765.html

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    Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10

    It is worth noting that the list above is from Jim Callis, while JJ Cooper does the actual Reds list. Of course Callis does kind of getting the say if he thinks JJ is off on someone with his list.

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    Pitching, pitching, pitching.

    Great list.

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    Interesting observations ranked in terms of importance:

    1. No Henry Rodriguez, even under those also considered
    2. He ranks Stephenson, Cingrani, Corcino. I rank them the inverse. Either way is justifiable, but those three are clearly in a class of their own.
    3. Lutz, Y-Rod, Barnhart and LaMarre rank behind others getting consideration including Diaz, Garrett, Sulbaran and Wright.

    All things considered, it's hard to argue with his list, other than the curious omission of Henry Rodriguez. As always, BA puts a high premium on recent draftees and (like me) draft pedigree.
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    Maybe I'm just forgetful today, but who is Diaz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Maybe I'm just forgetful today, but who is Diaz?
    Good armed 19 year old in Arizona right now.

    Code:
    ERA	IP	H	HR	BB	IBB	SO	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB
    4.22	21.1	23	1	4	0	24	1.7	10.1	6.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Good armed 19 year old in Arizona right now.

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    ERA	IP	H	HR	BB	IBB	SO	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB
    4.22	21.1	23	1	4	0	24	1.7	10.1	6.0
    Thank you. Nice K rate.

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    Funnily enough, not a C or CF in the bunch. Quite odd considering Buckley and the Reds system's history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Thank you. Nice K rate.
    I am more impressed by the walk rate.... not often, even at the low levels, do you see that kind of walk rate from a young pitcher, much less one with real stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana
    Funnily enough, not a C or CF in the bunch. Quite odd considering Buckley and the Reds system's history.
    I think Hamilton probably qualifies as a CF in most peoples eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post

    I think Hamilton probably qualifies as a CF in most peoples eyes.
    Touche
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    It's a small sample, but it is for Winker and Gelalich too. So I'd consider the Brean kid.
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    4 Guys from the most recent draft. I know it was a good draft, but IMO, that is an indication of a weak system.
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    Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    4 Guys from the most recent draft. I know it was a good draft, but IMO, that is an indication of a weak system.
    Or a system that has had Mesoraco, Cozart, Frazier, Alonso, Grandal and Boxberger all graduate from the system this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydeebee21 View Post
    Or a system that has had Mesoraco, Cozart, Frazier, Alonso, Grandal and Boxberger all graduate from the system this year
    A good argument. Look at all the players drafted/signed by the Reds either playing for the Reds or other teams. And it's not like we're talking 10 years ago.

    Leake, Bailey, Cueto
    Lecure, Ondrusek, Chapman
    Votto, Cozart, Frazier, Stubbs, Heisey, Bruce, Hanigan, Mesoraco
    Alonso, Grandal, Boxberger, T. Wood

    This also accounts to why so many positions are blocked at the major league level too.
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    Re: Baseball America's Updated Reds Top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    4 Guys from the most recent draft. I know it was a good draft, but IMO, that is an indication of a weak system.
    Agreed. I love this draft. Maybe my favorite one in several years. But it seems a bit premature to rate all of those rookies this high.


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