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    Got a link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    The only two sports that matter are college football and men's basketball, with the latter being priority number one in Lexington.
    Barnhart was hired in large part because the university wanted to change that parochial mindset. Other sports matter. Women's basketball went from cash drain to cash cow (relatively speaking). Baseball is almost cash nuetral at this point. Volleyball attendance went up more than 300%.

    Does he need a new football coach?

    Maybe. Brooks did well. Does he not get credit for being patient with him?

    If you're tearing him apart becayse of Gillespie, does he not also get credit for jettisoning the coach quickly enough for it to effect their place very little in the overall scheme of things? I mean, IU held onto three coaches (it can be argued) too long. North Carolina, two. UCLA, too many to count. A two-year hiccup isn't all that bothersome to me, when compared to the monster returns he's gotten from other sports. Which, again, are part and parcel of his job.

    (FTR, I disagree about Barnhart having basketball taken away from him, having a tiff with Calipari, or being somehow demoted. That's never been reported, nor has it been verified by anyone anywhere close to the university. It's a rumor only-- and most of those, I hope I don't have to tell anyone-- are patently false. If you have a link to someone reporting the story as fact, I'm all ears. I will absolutely be willing to change my opinion. But I'll need to see the report first. If there's no report, I don't understand how anyone can say they know how it's happened. Unless, of course, they have insider info. Which they may have. But which is also dubious, especially on a message board.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5TimeWSChamps View Post
    Wow. From your article, the main points:

    Iíve been told Barnhart and Cunningham are two of three finalists targeted by the six-member Kansas AD search panel, which is chaired by the managing partner of Pegasus Capital Management, Ray Evans.

    As it pertains to Barnhart, Iíve been told there are three main factors fueling the interest of Kansas officials in the current UK AD.

    1) Barnhartís experience presiding over a traditional, powerhouse basketball program.

    2) Barnhartís reputation for integrity - in the wake of the Kansas ticket scandal and other impropriety that plagued the late stages of the Perkinsí regime.

    3) Barnhartís stellar reputation as one of the top fundraisers in the college athletics.
    So Kansas liked him because he was good at presiding over basketball, having integrity, and he made money. FIRE HIM NOW, DAGNABBIT!!!

    Some other interesting observations, re: why Barnhart would have wanted to leave Kentucky for Kansas, again, from the article:
    1) The Kansas AD gig is a great job and heís originally from the state. He was born in Kansas City and graduated from Ottawa (KS) University.

    2) Landing the Kansas job would almost certainly involve a raise from Barnhartís current base salary, which was $475,000 according to the Kentucky state employee database for 2010. Barnhart has earned considerable money in bonuses over the years, including $30,000 if the Wildcats made a bowl game.

    Lew Perkins reportedly made an astounding $4.4 million his final full year on the job as KU AD - but much of that money was via bonuses derived from private funds. Perkins base salary was reportedly $800,000 at the time of his ouster.

    3) Barnhartís concerned, for obvious reasons, that the recruiting methods of John Calipari may soon begin to reflect poorly on the school and his own reputation.

    On the latter point, by no means am I implying that Barnhart is attempting to escape UK before the schoolís basketball program encounters NCAA sanctions. Thatís not the case.

    This is more a function of Barnhart tiring of the constant sparring with the NCAA and negative media coverage that inevitably follows John Calipari wherever he goes. (Ironic though as it was Barnhart who hired Calipari.)
    So he'd leave because he might want to go home, he might get a substantial raise (more than four million per year, if I read that right), and he's worried about the NCAA snooping around Calipari.

    So, just for the record, the reasons why this is some sort of smoking gun are:

    1) Barnhart is really good at his job, both as a fundraiser and a basketball-first AD (something that others on this board have denied).
    2) Barnhart is recognized as a person who won't cheat or cut corners.
    3) Barnhart has the temerity to (maybe) want to go home and make a few million dollars more than he's making now.

    Yeah.

    How... dare... he?
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    Re: UK Football 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    North Carolina, two.
    Off-topic, but who was the other coach UNC held onto too long? UNC went to the Final Four in Gut's last year.

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    Whoops. I meant "too".

    I never make that mistake.

    Yet, here it is.
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    Barnhardt SUCKS as a fundraiser.

    Keep beating your drum Scrap. Just about every UK fan disagrees with you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


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    He's been here 10 years and we still can't get a damn recruiting room. Pathetic. Build another softball field, Mitch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Keep beating your drum Scrap. Just about every UK fan disagrees with you.
    That certainly doesn't make them right.

    If history is any indication, taking the opposite side of just about any issue Kentucky fans have is a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    That certainly doesn't make them right.

    If history is any indication, taking the opposite side of just about any issue Kentucky fans have is a good idea.
    Again, you demonstrate your bias.

    It's hard to take a WKU fan serious on this subject. I'm sure you'd love for Joker to hang around a few more seasons, maybe ole Willie can get a few Ws before he moves on to a bigger job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    He's been here 10 years and we still can't get a damn recruiting room. Pathetic. Build another softball field, Mitch.
    A recruiting room?

    Really?

    Kentucky has had the number one basketball class for four years in a row. What that university has right now is pretty much what I'd want, were I other teams.

    There are other sports just as important as basketball, WMR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Again, you demonstrate your bias.
    Shall I enumerate?

    Because there's a bunch there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    A recruiting room?

    Really?

    Kentucky has had the number one basketball class for four years in a row. What that university has right now is pretty much what I'd want, were I other teams.

    There are other sports just as important as basketball, WMR.
    FOOTBALL RECRUITING ROOM.

    Jeez.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Shall I enumerate?

    Because there's a bunch there.

    LOL, you can do whatever you want, I'm just telling you that UK fans, the ones who live and die with the program, are sick of MB.

    Obviously, you're not going to change your stance one iota, and I don't really care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    FOOTBALL RECRUITING ROOM.

    Jeez.
    That's going to make the difference?

    Football has been relevant for about six years since Bear Bryant left.

    Barnhart's responsible (at least in part) for two of those. The success enjoyed by Kentucky under Barnhart has been the best of times under a UK AD since, again, Bear Bryant.

    He's clean.

    He makes the university money.

    His teams win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    LOL, you can do whatever you want, I'm just telling you that UK fans, the ones who live and die with the program, are sick of MB.

    Obviously, you're not going to change your stance one iota, and I don't really care.
    I'm going to think it because it's right.
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