"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
How can you overpay if you don't believe what you're giving up will ever amount to anything?
The Reds as an organization were not convinced of Stewart. They said it. Other analysts said it. Sure, perhaps a few scouts and a few teammates liked him. Doesn't mean the whole organization shared that sentiment.
Trades are ultimately about what you give to get. Sure, perception and leverage play a role, but if you're going to argue that results don't matter, then you've created a situation where someone can never be wrong.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Any word on whether KC picks up any of the salary?
No, you can be wrong. If the Nationals trade Bryce Harper tomorrow for Daniel Corcino, they are wrong. Even if Corcino goes on and wins 150 games for them in his career and Bryce Harper turns into Jeff Francouer. Yes, that was an incredible reach to make my point, but what I am saying is that just because a trade works out doesn't make it a good trade and just because a trade doesn't work out doesn't make it a bad one. It is about the thought process behind them and I just don't see a way where the Reds didn't overpay for Scott Rolen given the only reason that he was available for a trade in the first place was because he was demanding his way out to a team in the Midwest and the Reds were literally the only team who had anything resembling an opening at third base at the time.
Scott Rolen introduced a culture to this team that was lacking for most of the decade, it was called being a "baseball player"
It's craft that I believe has rubbed off on some of our Reds on the field today.
It's an intangible, and it's priceless and unmeasured.
Broxton is a pretty huge upgrade to this year's version of Bray (who has been hurt/useless all year.. not bashing Bray, but he's not added anything to the team).
I really don't think the Reds gave up anything that significant.
So, Joseph might've been a future LH reliever in a couple years.. that's something replacable.
If Broxton can keep throwing groundballs, he'll be useful. He doesn't have to be a K machine if he can keep the walks down. No guarantee Broxton will make an impact, but I like the risk vs reward of this.
I'm glad we didn't empty the farm for Garza + DeJesus as rumored...
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
You just made my point for me.
If they trade Harper for Corcino and the results subsequently have no impact on whether the deal is "right or wrong," then you just proved my point... you're making it to where someone can argue something is overpaying just because you say so and can never be wrong. That's basically admitting to my point: that you're suggesting a subjective opinion about value at the time of the trade is the only thing that matters and it doesn't matter how many metrics, scouting reports or advanced intuition an organization might have, if you don't like a trade you can call it wrong with no accountability.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
I strongly disagree Brutus. I am done with it though. I have explained my beliefs on it far too many times already and they aren't changing. You can disagree with them all you want.
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