Those of you who want answers why some of us think it's an overpay need to answer the question, that is where things kicked off. I left my opinion for future reference and then all of a sudden I/we was freaking out to hear some tell it and basically forcing us to back up our opinion.Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."
--Woody Hayes
It's begging the question that he can continue to do those things going forward.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
david, dick - with him it's the same differenceI don't think that's his actually name, but I don't disagree.
Like I said, if you have a problem, take it up privately and I'll discuss it. This is the second time I've stated that.
Please ask yourself your own questions and take it up with me privately when you have an answer, if you want to discuss it.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Somebody works fast on wiki.
Jonathan Roy Broxton[1] (born June 16, 1984) is an American professional baseball pitcher for the Cincinnati Reds of Major League Baseball.
No one is forcing you to do anything. But I honestly don't get what points you're making. This is a place for discussion, after all. If you have an opinion, don't you expect that some will disagree and say as much?
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
This, this, and this. The "zOMG overpay" is pretty funny, tbh.
Yes it is. And he's also coming off surgery and many reports have stated his velocity has been slowly returning. You showed yourself that his strikeout rate has gotten better as the year has gone on.
So what's to say he won't wind up pitching better as his arm strength continues to return? After all, he has a track record that is better than most. At one time, he was (arguably) the best reliever in the game. I doubt he'll get back to that point, but if he gets back to even a fraction of what he once was, he'd be quite the asset.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Good post. This board almost went down in flames the day when Cy Young Zach Stewart was traded for Rolen. Jocketty had to do something. Appears the market for a bat was too high. I'm OK with that. Maybe we will still get that bat in Overbay to bolster the bench and fill in at 1st. Strengthening the pen is what you do when you have young, unproven starters and want to lockdown the last 3-4 innings.
I have nothing to say to you that can't be shared with the board.
I figured this would be your response and am glad the board could see it.
Last post on this I promise.
As for Broxton, his K rate has gone from 13.5 to 10.5 to 7.1 to 6.3. To go along with a 1.50 WHIP the past 111 innings, this is somewhat concerning. Hopefully he gets his act together coming back to the NL.
Don't really have a problem with the trade. Fact is despite how the pen has thrown this year
they are relatively untested when it comes to the playoffs and we just added a player who's thrown
in the playoffs in three different seasons. Is broxton a great upgrade statistically over what the Reds have? Maybe not, but as they say you can't buy experience. Or maybe you can.
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I think its an overpay because I've seen Broxton pitch this season - he isn't that good fellas. Really, his best stuff was in his Dodger years. The old smoking fastball is gone. He throws a "heavy" (sinking) fastball now that does get groundballs, but his control is spotty at best. It's very Arredondo like. That 3.53 average isn't level - like averaged out 3 and half per nine. It's very much 3 or 4 in a row on off nights and then a good night. So you have good Jonathan and bad Jonathan and you never know which one you'll get. Consistency is the big issue. I'd say 2 out of 3 times he'll get the job done easy and then he'll scare the daylights out of you but still get it done and then he'll just barf all over himself the next time. He still does have a flash of that old fire once in a while when he reaches for it but it comes at a price -overthrowing - and he's as likely to get hammered as strike a guy out. He hasn't been horrible at all, just inconsistent enough to be unreliable. Is he getting stronger? Didn't seem so to me but then I don't see him every game either. I watch maybe half as many Royals as Reds games. I don't hate the trade but losing 2 prospects for 2 months of Broxton seems an overpay to me. Now, if he gets a big out or two in the playoffs I'll love it and it will be worth every game Donnie Joseph ever pitches for Kansas City.
Awesome, Votto can protect Votto! Oh crap. Votto will have to be split up though....
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
You're trying to make this a personal issue. Why should that be shared with the board? You're glad the board could see that I'm trying to keep from this becoming a public urinating match? That's strange, to say the least.
Anyhow, I guess I'll put the ignore function to use. Have a good day.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
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