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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Ondrusek is terrible. Why bring him in here?

    Oh wait. He got the last two outs.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    Ondrusek is terrible. Why bring him in here?

    Oh wait. He got the last two outs.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    You're absolutely exaggerating how bad Ondrusek is. He's not great, but the guy isn't actually Josias Manzanillo during his Reds tenure.
    That's true, because, as far as we know, Logan has a pair.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    Arredondo was absolutely awful in July.
    xFIP in July:

    Arredondo: 3.93
    Ondrusek: 6.23

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    I believe in pitching peripherals and that Ondrusek isn't very good, but my god, he isn't THAT bad. He is not a walking disaster.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    You're absolutely exaggerating how bad Ondrusek is. He's not great, but the guy isn't actually Josias Manzanillo during his Reds tenure.
    He's a below average reliever. He's a guy I would expect to be in the back end of a bullpen, which is fine to have. I just don't like trusting him with leads. Leads of any kind really.

    And sure, he got two outs. Doesn't make it the right move, or make him good. Sorry, it doesn't.

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    Ondrusek is terrible. Why bring him in here?

    Oh wait. He got the last two outs.
    Wait, lets bring in Danny Graves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    I believe in pitching peripherals and that Ondrusek isn't very good, but my god, he isn't THAT bad. He is not a walking disaster.
    You're right. He's not a gas can. On a team with a worse bullpen, he wouldn't stick out nearly as much. But he's the worst option down there next to Bray. Fair?

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    I like bringing Logan in here. The bullpen has been ridden hard of late.
    It's a 4 run lead.
    There's time to rescue the game if Logan got hit hard.
    I agree that Logan isn't horrible.

    I hope either Logan or another second teir guy finishes the game, so we can save the first teir guys for the Pirates.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    He's a below average reliever. He's a guy I would expect to be in the back end of a bullpen, which is fine to have. I just don't like trusting him with leads. Leads of any kind really.

    And sure, he got two outs. Doesn't make it the right move, or make him good. Sorry, it doesn't.
    Just FYI, his OPS against has been above league average for relievers in each of the past three seasons.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    You're right. He's not a gas can. On a team with a worse bullpen, he wouldn't stick out nearly as much. But he's the worst option down there next to Bray. Fair?
    :lol! I don't even think Bray is all that bad compared to 90% of the relievers in baseball!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Just FYI, his OPS against has been above league average for relievers in each of the past three seasons.
    Because he's been insanely BABIP lucky, and I'm guessing you know that. Career FIP of 4.41, and xFIP of 4.56. -0.3 WAR for his career. He's basically a below replacement level reliever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Just FYI, his OPS against has been above league average for relievers in each of the past three seasons.
    He's enjoyed a much lower than average BABIP. That may have something to do with it.
    How do we know he's not Mel Torme?

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Bruce single, Rolen single.

    Really REALLY glad to see their bats waking up.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Should've traded him for Victorino. Oh wait, wrong thread...

    Ondrusek is outstanding as a #5 reliever. That's all that really matters in my book. Being up 4 runs in the 8th inning of a game after a grueling series is a great time to bring in your #5 reliever.
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