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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Should've traded him for Victorino. Oh wait, wrong thread...

    Ondrusek is outstanding as a #5 reliever. That's all that really matters in my book. Being up 4 runs in the 8th inning of a game after a grueling series is a great time to bring in your #5 reliever.
    Leading into a grueling series as well.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ...
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ...
    x2
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Per Reds.com - Logan O has stranded the last 16 inherited numbers.

    Worstest. Reliever. Evah!!
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    9-4 ballgame.

    I think Ondrusek is ok. He tends to fade later in the season, maybe he'll do better in late 2012 with less work.

    Arredondo apparently warming up.

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    Because he's been insanely BABIP lucky, and I'm guessing you know that. Career FIP of 4.41, and xFIP of 4.56. -0.3 WAR for his career. He's basically a below replacement level reliever.
    If you ignore the possibility that after three consecutive years, perhaps it's not that terribly lucky, sure.

    Even if you regress his BABIP to .300, which seems like a reach considering he's maintained his BABIP in three straight seasons, you're still left with an OPS against of league average.

    So no, he's actually not a replacement level reliever. He's more like an average reliever.

    And for the record, I like FIP and xFIP, but I think the true measure of a pitcher is in between FIP and OPS. I don't think either extremes are the most accurate measures of a pitcher. I think it's too little to not account for anything in play, but I also think not all of what happens in play was the doing of a pitcher. So I don't think OPS against is perfect, but I don't think FIP is either.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Should've traded him for Victorino. Oh wait, wrong thread...

    Ondrusek is outstanding as a #5 reliever. That's all that really matters in my book. Being up 4 runs in the 8th inning of a game after a grueling series is a great time to bring in your #5 reliever.
    1. Chapman

    2. Marshall

    3. Broxton
    Simon
    Arredondo (in some order)

    6.Lecure
    Hoover (who I realize is not here)

    8. Ondrusek





    9. Bray

    In no way is Ondrusek better than any of the guys I listed above him. He should not be a #5 reliever.

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS21 View Post
    Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ...
    I'm glad the days are gone where people can just make claims about a player's ability without being able to support that with "what they're eyes tell them."

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    I'm glad the days are gone where people can just make claims about a player's ability without being able to support that with "what they're eyes tell them."
    Good for you Homer. Teach us something, will ya?
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    For the record, I would have let Ondrusek pitch the 9th here.

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    For the record, I would have let Ondrusek pitch the 9th here.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    I'm glad the days are gone where people can just make claims about a player's ability without being able to support that with "what they're eyes tell them."
    Why? It worked just fine for us back in 70's when we were watching the Big Red Machine.
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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by VR View Post
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    There's a difference between pitching with the tying run in the whole, and starting the inning with a 5 run lead.

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    Re: 8/2/2012

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    You're absolutely exaggerating how bad Ondrusek is. He's not great, but the guy isn't actually Josias Manzanillo during his Reds tenure.
    Oooooo

    That's a name I haven't heard for a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Oooooo

    That's a name I haven't heard for a long time
    I know, right?
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