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    When Votto and Phillips come back...

    I was wondering what everyone thinks we should do when we get Votto and Phillips back.

    Obviously, Votto takes back over 1B and Phillips to 2B, but what happens then?

    The way Rolen and Ludwick have been hitting lately, I think they have to stay in 3B and LF respectively.

    Stubbs has been hot and the Reds are nearly unbeatable when he scores so I think you keep in in CF especially for defensive purposes. Maybe platoon him with Paul/Heisey when needed.

    So IMO we have 5 of the 9 positions filled and still have to work Frazier into the lineup. Pitcher and catcher are givens, so we have 2 spots left: RF and SS

    Bruce is has above average defense in RF, but he somewhat struggles at the plate. However, he has to be there because he is a fan favorite and his potential to get hot keep him there. Not to mention, he is a lefty.

    My only other guess would to put Frazier in SS, but can he play there? I like Cozart's defense, but besides last night's HR he is struggling at the plate.

    I know Frazier can be platooned at 3B with Rolen, but both are hitting well and I would hate to see one of them sit.

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    When both come back you go with Votto/Phillips/Cozart and Frazier in the infield, and Ludwick, Stubbs, Bruce in the outfield. Rolen plays on average 2-3 games a week and Heisey is your rotating OF who gives each of the guys out there a day off.

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Quote Originally Posted by BungleBengals View Post
    I was wondering what everyone thinks we should do when we get Votto and Phillips back.
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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Quote Originally Posted by BungleBengals View Post
    I was wondering what everyone thinks we should do when we get Votto and Phillips back.

    Obviously, Votto takes back over 1B and Phillips to 2B, but what happens then?

    The way Rolen and Ludwick have been hitting lately, I think they have to stay in 3B and LF respectively.

    Stubbs has been hot and the Reds are nearly unbeatable when he scores so I think you keep in in CF especially for defensive purposes. Maybe platoon him with Paul/Heisey when needed.

    So IMO we have 5 of the 9 positions filled and still have to work Frazier into the lineup. Pitcher and catcher are givens, so we have 2 spots left: RF and SS

    Bruce is has above average defense in RF, but he somewhat struggles at the plate. However, he has to be there because he is a fan favorite and his potential to get hot keep him there. Not to mention, he is a lefty.

    My only other guess would to put Frazier in SS, but can he play there? I like Cozart's defense, but besides last night's HR he is struggling at the plate.

    I know Frazier can be platooned at 3B with Rolen, but both are hitting well and I would hate to see one of them sit.

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    I'd platoon 3rd with the majority of the starts going to Frazier. I love Rolen and like having him on the team but Frazier has proven to be more than capable to handle playing and producing every day. Frazier is also utility, so if he dosen't need the rest he can provide relief for other players when Rolen starts at 3rd.
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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Rolen and Ludwick getting regular starts 3rd and LF respectively with Frazier alternating 3rd and LF doesn't sound too bad. That way Frazier can get roughly 3-4 starts a week while Rolen and Ludwick will sit only 1-2 times a week.
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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrRedLegger View Post
    Rolen and Ludwick getting regular starts 3rd and LF respectively with Frazier alternating 3rd and LF doesn't sound too bad. That way Frazier can get roughly 3-4 starts a week while Rolen and Ludwick will sit only 1-2 times a week.
    Agreed, that will be what I expect Dusty to do as well.

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrRedLegger View Post
    Rolen and Ludwick getting regular starts 3rd and LF respectively with Frazier alternating 3rd and LF doesn't sound too bad. That way Frazier can get roughly 3-4 starts a week while Rolen and Ludwick will sit only 1-2 times a week.
    Agree. Also, Heisey/Stubbs alternate righty/lefty starts. Xavier Paul lefty bat off bench/5th OFer, Valdez pinch-hitter/runner/late inning guy for BP.

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Weren't we talking about how thin this team was at one point?????

    The length of the season, allowing players to surge and slumping players to gain ground toward their mean, is one of the many reasons why I absolutely love baseball.

    This team is pretty much stacked everywhere. Yes, we're being tested with our two biggest guys injured, but we're still hanging in there. A 100% healthy Reds team has to scare the rest of the league. I wonder what other teams fans (Nats, Rangers, Angels, etc) are saying.
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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrRedLegger View Post
    Weren't we talking about how thin this team was at one point?????

    The length of the season, allowing players to surge and slumping players to gain ground toward their mean, is one of the many reasons why I absolutely love baseball.

    This team is pretty much stacked everywhere. Yes, we're being tested with our two biggest guys injured, but we're still hanging in there. A 100% healthy Reds team has to scare the rest of the league. I wonder what other teams fans (Nats, Rangers, Angels, etc) are saying.
    I understand your point about being thin, but I don't think we were thin, just not running on all cylinders. If and when that happens (becaues it really hasn't happened yet), THAT is what the whole league should be scared of!!

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Give Ludwick occasional spot starts in RF vs LHP. His numbers are better than Bruce's vs LHP. Then you can play both Rolen and Frazier on those days.

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    when Votto and Phillips come back I would go with the following line-up:

    2b Phillips
    CF Stubbs
    1B Votto
    LF Ludwick
    RF Bruce
    3B Frazier w/ Rolen getting 2-3 starts a week
    SS Cozart
    C Hanigan/Mesoroco

    I would get Heisey 2-3 starts a week in the OF

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Quote Originally Posted by P.E.R#14 View Post
    Agree. Also, Heisey/Stubbs alternate righty/lefty starts. Xavier Paul lefty bat off bench/5th OFer, Valdez pinch-hitter/runner/late inning guy for BP.

    This is going to be fun boys!!!!


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    IMO, I doubt Paul will be here when Votto gets off the DL, he will be sent down with Navarro still backing up Hanigan. Once Mes is ready, Navarro will be sent down till Sep when he gets called up, with Paul.

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Quote Originally Posted by thorn View Post
    IMO, I doubt Paul will be here when Votto gets off the DL, he will be sent down with Navarro still backing up Hanigan. Once Mes is ready, Navarro will be sent down till Sep when he gets called up, with Paul.
    Agree. I think a total timeshare at 3rd makes sense for now until they separate themselves. LF I think is Ludwick's job with frequent days off to stay fresh and get Heisey ABs. Heisey backs up in CF also.

    You're really only looking at 1 of Frazier/Rolen along with (usually) Heisey on the bench for the next month. That's fine with me because pinch hitters matter.

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Frazier gets the bulk of the PT (60-70%) at third for me. Even during Rolen's good spell, he is not hitting with the same power (.509 SA in July) that Frazier has hit with all year (.538 SA all year compared to Scott's .375 SA all year). Keep Scotty fresh and keep Frazier's key RBI bat in the lineup most of the time IMO.

    This also lets Frazier continue to gain experience and improve. This guy is the real deal IMO. He's going to be our 3B for many years to come IMO.

    I would also use Frazier to spell Votto at 1B to keep him fresh and healthy.

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    Re: When Votto and Phillips come back...

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    When both come back you go with Votto/Phillips/Cozart and Frazier in the infield, and Ludwick, Stubbs, Bruce in the outfield. Rolen plays on average 2-3 games a week and Heisey is your rotating OF who gives each of the guys out there a day off.

    Spot on this time brm.

    I still can't believe some would rather see Rolen start over Frazier. Has Rolen improved? Yes!

    Is he as dangerous at the plate at Frazier? Nope (waiting for a stat guy to compare the two of them now since Rolen's return)!


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