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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    The word "undertones" basically means underlying feelings or quality. It would seem to me that racial underlying feelings is just a nicer way of saying someone is racist.
    Look, you can make a poor joke or comment without being a racist. I'm not accusing anybody of being racist, but there are better ways to discuss McCutchen getting angry about getting drilled than calling him a thug. All you do is make yourself look bad doing that.
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    I suspect we are on the cusp of a huge tangent ... Context is very important in all communications, and an internet message board has next to none. Let's just give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Look, you can make a poor joke or comment without being a racist. I'm not accusing anybody of being racist, but there are better ways to discuss McCutchen getting angry about getting drilled than calling him a thug. All you do is make yourself look bad doing that.
    OK that's fair but don't accuse them of racial undertones if you're not accusing them of being a racist. It's basically the same thing just said in a nicer way.

    Not everyone uses the term, as it's actually defined, in the racial sense and suggesting someone does without any proof is a stereotype just like you're accusing others of. Even based on the 'clinical definition' of the term, I wouldn't agree with anyone calling McCutchen a "thug" based on what I know about him, but it doesn't mean someone did so because of race. I don't know how everyone uses the term, as I know there are some that use it improperly, but some use words as they're defined. If someone thinks McCutchen is violent, then calling him a thug doesn't have to be used in a racial context.
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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    OK that's fair but don't accuse them of racial undertones if you're not accusing them of being a racist. It's basically the same thing just said in a nicer way.

    Not everyone uses the term, as it's actually defined, in the racial sense and suggesting someone does without any proof is a stereotype just like you're accusing others of.
    Now you're just getting into logistics. People need to choose their words more carefully. Or don't. Whatever. All it does is make the people making the comments look bad, no matter what their intention may be. I didn't call anybody a racist nor did I imply anybody was a racist no matter how you may try to spin it. Calling an African-American a thug for no reason has racial undertones to it. And I have no reason to not believe traderumour didn't mean anything by what he said, but again, it doesn't look good.

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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Im pretty sure I read that the person who called him a "thug" (WVReds?) said that you have to live near Pittsburgh to understand why they called him that. So perhaps it's not a race issue...

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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Quote Originally Posted by smith288 View Post
    Im pretty sure I read that the person who called him a "thug" (WVReds?) said that you have to live near Pittsburgh to understand why they called him that. So perhaps it's not a race issue...
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    Jeeps, 7:10 can not get here fast enough....
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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Now you're just getting into logistics. People need to choose their words more carefully. Or don't. Whatever. All it does is make the people making the comments look bad, no matter what their intention may be. I didn't call anybody a racist nor did I imply anybody was a racist no matter how you may try to spin it. Calling an African-American a thug for no reason has racial undertones to it. And I have no reason to not believe traderumour didn't mean anything by what he said, but again, it doesn't look good.

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    If they think he hit mccutchen on purpose then they better watch out. Height just do that tonight and really get him. I wouldn't get into a hit batsman contest when aroldis can throw 107.

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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Tupac was the biggest celeb that brought "Thugz" into lexicon.

    The only white "Thugz" were Tracy Smothers and the Dirty White Boy Tony Anthony, wrestlers in SMW doing a redneck gimmick.

    "T" is for "Tough"
    "H" is for "Hell"
    "U" is for "Ugly"
    and "G" is for "Jail", because everybody knows that a Thug can't spell.
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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Wow, reading the last couple of pages...


    I miss the old board and the old posters :sadkitty:

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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Brutus the Pimp has changed his screen name to just Brutus? What a thug.

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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    OK that's fair but don't accuse them of racial undertones if you're not accusing them of being a racist. It's basically the same thing just said in a nicer way.

    Not everyone uses the term, as it's actually defined, in the racial sense and suggesting someone does without any proof is a stereotype just like you're accusing others of. Even based on the 'clinical definition' of the term, I wouldn't agree with anyone calling McCutchen a "thug" based on what I know about him, but it doesn't mean someone did so because of race. I don't know how everyone uses the term, as I know there are some that use it improperly, but some use words as they're defined. If someone thinks McCutchen is violent, then calling him a thug doesn't have to be used in a racial context.
    Or you could just do some self-reflection and admit it was inappropriate, move on, and everyone else can to - and we'd all feel better about your ability to recognize how built-in stereotypes are something we some times all struggle with and need to correct or think about more, before spitting out an emotional comment that's just stupid.

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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Tupac was the biggest celeb that brought "Thugz" into lexicon.
    See how well that worked out for him
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    Re: Pirates fans are livid

    First time in 22 years the Pirates have been competitive enough to be worth throwing at.
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