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    The ripping of Dr. Kremcheck might be my favorite all-time RZ topic.
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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    Would be great to have him back for that three-game series against St. Louis which happens to be in roughly 10 days' time.

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    On the broadcast yesterday Welsh made the comment that hed be back for the start of the 4 game series in Philly. Hopefully this is the last set-back and things are good to go from here. I miss watching him bat more than anything
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    I don't understand how Dr. Kremcheck can be responsible for Votto hurting himself while rehabing.
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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice of IH View Post
    I don't understand how Dr. Kremcheck can be responsible for Votto hurting himself while rehabing.
    The torches and pitchforks crowd must have their pound of flesh.

    With his gigantic ego, Kremchek is an easy target.

    As for me, I'm far more concerned about long term arthritis or worse, in that knee, going forward.

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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice of IH View Post
    I don't understand how Dr. Kremcheck can be responsible for Votto hurting himself while rehabing.
    Don't you know he intentionally left that piece of cartilidge a little loose so it would break off during rehab. Then he would another billable surgery to the Reds.
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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    From Tom Groeschen:

    Behind the scenes, the Reds believe Joey Votto could return during their series at Philadelphia next Monday-Thursday but that a more realistic goal is the St. Louis series (Aug. 24-26) in Cincinnati.
    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...-might-return/
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    I have to disagree with many of you on Kremchek. Regardless of the Votto incident, I believe the Reds, in the interests of the franchise, need to review their medical staffing and see if it might be in their interests to at the very least have another doctor around for evaulations of the players.
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    Having cartilage removed from a knee a few decades ago meant a player was out for a long time. Arthroscopic surgery may not be as invasive, but it's still knee surgery and having had my own bouts of meniscus problems in the past, it is not alarming or surprising to me that his rehab needs to be extended. The human knee is a terrible joint, poorly designed and unable to withstand the stresses we place on it, especially if we happen to run, stop, jump, etc. for a living.
    What it often needs is simply time. Here's a case in point. My left knee currently has torn lateral meniscus, which has not been removed because it doesn't bother me constantly. However, it flares up occasionally and after a few weeks of not running, it feels better.

    How did I hurt it? Slide tackling in a soccer game and I imagine it's the same issue Votto's having; when you tuck that leg underneath and jump on it, the knee joint is twisted and torqued. Not something it likes to do.
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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    I have to disagree with many of you on Kremchek. Regardless of the Votto incident, I believe the Reds, in the interests of the franchise, need to review their medical staffing and see if it might be in their interests to at the very least have another doctor around for evaulations of the players.
    Why? What do you know about the medical field? What is Kremchek doing wrong?

    It's like when something goes bad somebody HAS to be at fault.
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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    I have to disagree with many of you on Kremchek. Regardless of the Votto incident, I believe the Reds, in the interests of the franchise, need to review their medical staffing and see if it might be in their interests to at the very least have another doctor around for evaulations of the players.
    Players are more than welcome to get a second opinion. It's actually in the BAsic Agreement.
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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    Having cartilage removed from a knee a few decades ago meant a player was out for a long time. Arthroscopic surgery may not be as invasive, but it's still knee surgery and having had my own bouts of meniscus problems in the past, it is not alarming or surprising to me that his rehab needs to be extended. The human knee is a terrible joint, poorly designed and unable to withstand the stresses we place on it, especially if we happen to run, stop, jump, etc. for a living.
    What it often needs is simply time. Here's a case in point. My left knee currently has torn lateral meniscus, which has not been removed because it doesn't bother me constantly. However, it flares up occasionally and after a few weeks of not running, it feels better.

    How did I hurt it? Slide tackling in a soccer game and I imagine it's the same issue Votto's having; when you tuck that leg underneath and jump on it, the knee joint is twisted and torqued. Not something it likes to do.
    I had 5 pieces of cartilage removed from my left knee several years ago. It had been floating around in there for a long time and finally got caught in the back side of my knee and locked me up. When they did x-rays, it looked like someone had taken a tack hammer and knocked pieces out of the outside of the meniscus. It was from the repeated pounding of tucking that left leg under when sliding. It also did not help that I took a shot to the outside of that knee when playing football as a youngster. The Dr. said that was probably the beginning and the pounding of baseball slides over the years did the rest. I have another piece that randomly floats around since the surgery. Bothersome at times but not enough to have the surgery again.
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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    The torches and pitchforks crowd must have their pound of flesh.

    With his gigantic ego, Kremchek is an easy target.

    As for me, I'm far more concerned about long term arthritis or worse, in that knee, going forward.
    lol, well he did after all go to a great high school where only great people graduate from

    Back on topic, I read on Redszone when news first came down of Votto's original injury that a poster forgot the last time a knee injury only lasted a few weeks, and that it usually turns out to be an on going, never ending thing. My fear is that this additional ten days turns into 20 or 25 days and so forth.

    I hope that Votto returns soon obviously, but I want more also. I need him to be healthy and very well rested. If he comes back against St. Louis (which is my personal hope) he will have been out of the game for 38 days. Obviously he has done his own personal regiment and has worked hard over this period but I need him to be stronger and more rested than anyone else from then to the World Series.

    There will be 37 regular season games left when the Reds take the field against the Cardinals. If Votto would to go on a tear through them and into the postseason the chips could all be falling into place for a Red October.
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    Re: Votto out additional 7-10 days

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Yeah I love people asking for guys to be fired based off something they literally no nothing about. It's fantastic.
    I know, I can't stand when people who have never been doctors criticize doctors.

    Kind of reminds me of people who have never been managers criticizing managers.

    (Anyone else notice the hypocrisy in saying it's ridiculous to criticize a doctor if you're not a doctor, but it's completely acceptable to rip everything a manager/coach does, even if you've never been a manager/coach?)


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