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    How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    Everyone knows the pitching staff has been good this year. But how good? Using ERA+ as a measuring stick, pretty freaking good. Maybe even historically good. The Reds' ERA+ right now sits at 126. Let's see how that stacks up.

    Here is a chart of every NL pitching staff since division play started in 1969 with an OPS+ of 125 or higher. Pretty short list.

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    YEAR	TEAM	ERA+	WINS
    2002	ATL	133	101
    1997	ATL	131	101
    2011	PHI	128	102
    2003	LAD	128	85
    1998	ATL	128	106
    1993	ATL	128	104
    2012	CIN	126	98*
    1996	ATL	125	96



    Going back to 1969 just 8 pitching staffs have finished the season at 125+ or batter. The Reds' OPS+ ranks them 7th. But that is actually 7th out of 598 pitching staffs. Aside from the other-worldly Atlanta staffs featuring Maddux, Smoltz etc., only three teams' pitchers have managed to put up an OPS+
    of 125 or better. That is some pretty heady territory this year's Reds have entered.

    And look at the results. Using 98 wins for Cincinnati (the pace they are currently on), these eight teams won a total of 793 games. Or just a shade over 99 games each.

    This includes the 2003 Los Angeles Dodgers team which won just 85. That team, incidentally, was pathetic offensively. They had the dubious distinction of finishing last in the league in OBP, SLG and OPS. They scored just 3.5 runs per game. And yet still won 85 games because of the pitching staff.

    You get good pitching and wins seem to naturally follow.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

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    Re: How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    Would be nice to see Cincy eclipse 100 or more wins this year. Going 30 - 17 is possible, especially for this team
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    Re: How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Everyone knows the pitching staff has been good this year. But how good? Using ERA+ as a measuring stick, pretty freaking good. Maybe even historically good. The Reds' ERA+ right now sits at 126. Let's see how that stacks up.

    Here is a chart of every NL pitching staff since division play started in 1969 with an OPS+ of 125 or higher. Pretty short list.

    Code:
    YEAR	TEAM	ERA+	WINS
    2002	ATL	133	101
    1997	ATL	131	101
    2011	PHI	128	102
    2003	LAD	128	85
    1998	ATL	128	106
    1993	ATL	128	104
    2012	CIN	126	98*
    1996	ATL	125	96



    Going back to 1969 just 8 pitching staffs have finished the season at 125+ or batter. The Reds' OPS+ ranks them 7th. But that is actually 7th out of 598 pitching staffs. Aside from the other-worldly Atlanta staffs featuring Maddux, Smoltz etc., only three teams' pitchers have managed to put up an OPS+
    of 125 or better. That is some pretty heady territory this year's Reds have entered.

    And look at the results. Using 98 wins for Cincinnati (the pace they are currently on), these eight teams won a total of 793 games. Or just a shade over 99 games each.

    This includes the 2003 Los Angeles Dodgers team which won just 85. That team, incidentally, was pathetic offensively. They had the dubious distinction of finishing last in the league in OBP, SLG and OPS. They scored just 3.5 runs per game. And yet still won 85 games because of the pitching staff.

    You get good pitching and wins seem to naturally follow.
    nice set of numbers --- what I would like to know is how this offense is doing with the park effects taken out --- I suspect it would be weaker than most think -- I'm just too busy (lazy) to go looking for it now
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    Re: How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    Yes the Reds in recent years have had plenty of offense, at or near the top in many offensive stats. But what has it gotten them, sure fun to watch at times but no championships. I love this pitching staff and with it we have a shot at something I've been waiting for since 1990. With that said I would feel much more comfortable with a little more run production.

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    It's crazy to think that the Braves only muscled out one World Series Championship (1 out of 5) during the Atlanta empire that was the 1990's and early to mid 2000's. 14 out of 15 division crowns. Oh what could have been...

    This year's Reds pitching staff is something very special to watch.
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    Re: How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    Good thing is that our SP's are all very young besides Arroyo.

    Leake 24
    Latos 24
    Bailey 26
    Cueto 26

    not to mention that Chapman is 24 too.

    The future looks bright!
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    Re: How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    Is this just independent or is there a link?

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    Re: How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    Has anyone actually seen Cueto and Maddux in the same place at the same time? Latos and Smoltz?

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    Re: How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    The Reds' pitching staff is so dirty, you could write a letter to Penthouse about them all.

    Reds' pitching is so dirty, it's the 0.01% that hand sanitizer can't kill.
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    Re: How good has the Reds' pitching staff been?

    Quote Originally Posted by nate1213 View Post
    Is this just independent or is there a link?
    If the question is 'Are these numbers coming from another article?', then the answer is no. So there is no link.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.


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