.....who would you keep?
.....who would you keep?
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Leake, and I wouldn't think about it very hard.
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Leake, as he hasn't had the shoulder issues.
Leake for two reasons:
1. More than a year less service time
2. Adds value at the plate
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Less injury worries, club has control of him for longer period of time.
I like his makeup better too. Seems like he will have a long career like Arroyo.
I have been impressed with how Homer has taken a huge step forward this year however. Impressed that he had such a rigorous offseason workout to get in good shape, and glad it paid off for him.
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If you are talking about a trade, the return would be involved in my decision. All things being equal, Leake.
Leake; I think he will soon become an innings eater much like Arroyo. Every team can use durable pitchers like this.
Bailey just doesn't seem to be able to be consisent for a whole season. He's been better this season. But lately he's reverted back to Bad Bailey. Also like others have pointed out he has had shoulder issues. I'm wondering if that shoulder isn't barking a little now and he's not saying anything.
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I wonder what the responses would be if this question was asked on on 7/30.
Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.
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Bailey and I wouldn't have to think about it. His stuff is just much better. When he is on his game, he can dominate the other team. When Mike Leake is on his game, he can get a bunch of groundouts.
Homer. And I love Leake too. Personally, I don't deal ANY of the starters. Once Bronson leaves, that's when I move Chapman into the rotation.
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Leake. Homer has better velocity, but I wouldn't say his "stuff" is necessarily better. Leake can really move the ball around and hit his spots. He's also more athletic. It's not a slam-dunk case, I can see a case for Homer. Personally, I take Leake and don't think twice about it.
Homer has had multiple shoulder issues, therefore I pick the crafty cat burgler.
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I think it's funny that people a month ago were touting how consistant Bailey had been, since the season was only halfway over.
For me, it's Leake, but only because of the reasons RMR gave. If they had the same controllable years, it's a toss up, imo, both are solid #4-5 starters.
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